Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[powerunlimited]

My opinion for what its worth is, theory 1  Some weird effect, of some known effect due to a combination of things magnets /coils /induction motor ect.  acceleration due to some sort of decrease in cogging when coil is shorted.Theory 2 a coupling back of emf  that is magnetic,conducted by magnetic materials and tends to increase the magnetic field in the motor, the rotating portion causing acceleration.
Theory 3, a freaky creation of something unknown  along with the lenz effect,at the magnet/coil junction, thats not magnetic , can travel thru magnetic material  iron,can travel thru  nonmagnetic  metal materials copper,brass ,or even nonmagnetic materials (plastic ,wood),if exposed to long enough or if in a very large amount,has to penetrate material does not move over surface, can effect electrons if they go thru a on/off cycle,increasing current there for increasing magnetic field,causing acceleration.
Test for Theory 3 best option, insert in video 1,2 for the iron piece in the air gap  a brass or copper rod
if it works what travels is not magnetic,if works try different materials.This talk of when strong magnets are placed on the shaft  the back emf can still get thru,if the back emf is magnetic ,magnetic fields  attract, repel it would get effected,i have placed an ac magnetic field directly on the shaft and no effect if it its magnetic it would at least alter it in  some way ,also this motor is very well shielded against electrical fields/magnetic fields.

[polarbreeze]

...PB and Aether already agree!!! they just don't know it yet...

I may even invite Aether to come visit me in the Diefenbunker where I live.

PB

[polarbreeze]

There are 2 issues here, since it is clear from Thanes demo that something is communicated down the shaft and that brings us to the question of what is communicated through the shaft.

OK, so far so good. We agree that it's either magnetic flux or aether/orgone/torsion/ZPE. Now: we can  measure the magnetic flux in the shaft (at least I hope we've now finally persuaded you that we can!). To complete the picture, what is your method for measuring the aether/orgone/torsion/ZPE? Then we can just compare the two and solve the riddle.

PB

[aether22]

There are 2 issues here, since it is clear from Thanes demo that something is communicated down the shaft and that brings us to the question of what is communicated through the shaft.

OK, so far so good. We agree that it's either magnetic flux or aether/orgone/torsion/ZPE. Now: we can  measure the magnetic flux in the shaft (at least I hope we've now finally persuaded you that we can!). To complete the picture, what is your method for measuring the aether/orgone/torsion/ZPE? Then we can just compare the two and solve the riddle.

PB

First it was Thane that had the real problem of measuring magnetic fields in a shaft and he still may.
But it still is not possible to measure any static component so it remains that any non alternating field such as from the neo's will not be counted.

At any rate that is not the best way, for one aether has a tendency to drag magnetic fields with it.

To solve the riddle of which one the best test may be the one where the generator coils feed an external coil which feeds flux into a (the?) motor, you could even maybe place a magnet for it to react against if you like (it may be needful) and then try energizing it with a conventionally produced current instead to see if the effect only occurs or is larger with the generator current than an electrically identical current provided from more normal means.

[vince]

Hi guys;

MORE FUEL FOR THE FIRE !

I while back I posted a drawing of a possible way to measure the torque of the motor while it was running.  I modified my motor to this design and have done several tests to try and determine if there was an increase in torque.  My motor stator  is mounted on bearings and it is free to rotate opposite to the shaft rotation with an arm mounted at one end .  The arm contact point is 6" radius from the centerline of the shaft. When the shaft turns the stator turns in the opposite direction to counter the force required and is resisted by a scale. Unfortunately I do not have a digital scale and it is not that accurate. It does show differences in force and that is the important part for now.

Here is my setup.
http://picasaweb.google.com/vincemormile/TorqueTest?authkey=w_64OCgYnxI

Here is my findings albeit not that scientific.
Maximum force exerted at 6" radius with the motor stalled is 6 grams  2.4 amps draw 120 volt
Force with the motor running at no load no rotor (stabilized) 1.5 grams  1.5 amps 120volt

Introduce the 8 small coils and rotor,no connection,  minimum speed setting, 1.5 grams, 1.5 amps 120volts
Short all 8 coils minimum speed setting > 1.5 grams, 1.5 amps 120volts

Introduce 1 large coil and rotor, no connection, minimum speed setting 1.7 grams 1.6 amps 120 volts
Short  output of single coil,speed accelerates, 2.7 grams,1.6 amps 120 volts

In every test I have done the motor counterforce (which can be calculated into torque) increases with the coil shorted.
My meters have not shown any corresponding increase in amps drawn from the line or voltage spikes.
In all my attempts at this it is showing a slight increase in torque with no increase in current draw.
I know the increase in force is small but keep in mind that the the motor only makes 6 grams at full stall so 1 gram is significant.

Regards
Vince