Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[CRANKYpants]

If you can't get your head around the logic of it, then either trust in the math, try experiments or ask someone who you would trust if there is anyone.

But really it's not that hard is it?

As you increase the number of turns you increase the pickup of both the coils own field (self inductance) and that of the rotor.

This really will help you make a better buggy if you understand this, the HC coils should only be used for braking not for power generation.

BE HONEST -YOU TRUSTED THE MATH ON YOUR LAST COIL AND WHAT DID IT GIVE YOU?

UNTIL YOU HAVE PLACED 2 OR MORE HV COILS WITH 2 OR MORE HC COILS ON THE SAME BACK IRON OR INDIVIDUALLY LOADED THEM ETC - YOU ARE TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS.END OF DEBATE.

MY SUGGESTION TO ANYONE READING THIS FORUM IS:

DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING ANYONE TELLS YOU EVER.
UNTIL YOU HAVE VERIFIED IT FOR YOURSELF.

THERE ARE SINCERE PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE IGNORANT - AND IGNORANT PEOPLE WHO ARE INSINCERE - YOU REALLY CAN'T TRUST ANY OF THIS UNTIL YOU DO IT OR SEE IT FOR YOURSELF.

MY MISTAKE UP TO THIS POINT IS THINKING THAT I OUGHT TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO PROTECT THE SINCERE LEARNERS FROM THE CRAP OUT THERE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I REALIZED TODAY - THERE IS JUST TOO MUCH CRAP!
AND I AM WASTING MY TIME AND ENERGY DEBATING CRAP - MAN I'M A SLOW LEARNER - PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TELLING ME TO STOP WASTING MY TIME AT PAGE 15 ON THIS THREAD.

YOU HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU ACCEPT - ON THIS THREAD AND ELSEWHERE.- THAT IS WHY I HAVE SET UP A CRAP FREE ZONE AT OTTAWA UNIVERSITY WHICH IS OPEN FOR DEMONSTRATIONS TO ANYONE AT ANYTIME.

I WILL CONTINUE TO SHARE DEVELOPMENTS ETC BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT - BUT I WILL NO LONGER BE DEBATING CRAP.

CHEERS
Thane

[aether22]

BE HONEST -YOU TRUSTED THE MATH ON YOUR LAST COIL AND WHAT DID IT GIVE YOU?

Thane, you should trust the math because it's right.
But no it wasn't the math that told me, I actually had to figure out if the math did support what I knew intuitively.
And it did!

UNTIL YOU HAVE PLACED 2 OR MORE HV COILS WITH 2 OR MORE HC COILS ON THE SAME BACK IRON OR INDIVIDUALLY LOADED THEM ETC - YOU ARE TALKING OUT OF YOUR ASS.END OF DEBATE.

I have.
But I disagree because the math and the logic is and must be right.
Seriously you aren't actually thinking about it because if you did you would see each must be right.

MY SUGGESTION TO ANYONE READING THIS FORUM IS:

DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING ANYONE TELLS YOU EVER.
UNTIL YOU HAVE VERIFIED IT FOR YOURSELF.

THERE ARE SINCERE PEOPLE HERE WHO ARE IGNORANT

What am I ignorant of?
I'll tell you what, this can be easily solved.
If you give me the open circuit voltage and resistance of both the HC and HV coils (assuming both fill pretty much the same area and position as they do with MOT's) and also the short circuit current of each I will take those figures and see if the results compare with the math.
One request though would be for you to have them in the same position on the core so if you take the 2 side by side MOT's if you can switch the order of the HC and HV coils on one of the cores so that the voltage and current figures for both HC and HV coils are based on the same position if possible.

- AND IGNORANT PEOPLE WHO ARE INSINCERE - YOU REALLY CAN'T TRUST ANY OF THIS UNTIL YOU DO IT OR SEE IT FOR YOURSELF.

MY MISTAKE UP TO THIS POINT IS THINKING THAT I OUGHT TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO PROTECT THE SINCERE LEARNERS FROM THE CRAP OUT THERE.

YOU KNOW WHAT I REALIZED TODAY - THERE IS JUST TOO MUCH CRAP!
AND I AM WASTING MY TIME AND ENERGY DEBATING CRAP - MAN I'M A SLOW LEARNER - PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TELLING ME TO STOP WASTING MY TIME AT PAGE 15 ON THIS THREAD.

YOU HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU ACCEPT - ON THIS THREAD AND ELSEWHERE.- THAT IS WHY I HAVE SET UP A CRAP FREE ZONE AT OTTAWA UNIVERSITY WHICH IS OPEN FOR DEMONSTRATIONS TO ANYONE AT ANYTIME.

I WILL CONTINUE TO SHARE DEVELOPMENTS ETC BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT - BUT I WILL NO LONGER BE DEBATING CRAP.

Thane, this is not crap.
Ask your professor friend, do the experiments (or I will if you need me to) do the math, do the logic but it really would help you not to be laboring over the incorrect assumption that you can pull more energy out of a high current coil.

[aether22]

Thane, if I may point out a difference.

In the past there have been arguments against your device by people paid to create arguments, arguing with them is worth while only up to the point of showing others that these people are not crafting valid arguments, you will never change their minds since their position is artificial. (They do not believe what they say)

Both of us have gone into bat against such people.

Here we have a big difference, we have an argument where the validity of your device is assured and instead a detail is under scrutiny, and interestingly you are arguing for a reduced effectiveness of your device.

Also please consider the other difference, I am open to experimental data, math, authority and logic to sort out this issue.

And finally unlike most any argument brought about by anyone against the device, here we actually have a point to the argument, your device will work better with more HV coils and no HC coils making your dune buggy more likely to work. (that being the case even though I would have thought more should be known of the effect before making a vehicle out of it, of course the challenges encountered might well prove extremely enlightening)

[LarryC]

@All,

Today I was happily testing, using the new 124 Ohm and the old 205 Ohm coil HV coils, getting much better acceleration results, when I noticed that one of the side casing on the motor was cracking. I allways though the wheel would go first!

It turns out my cheap $20 so called  heavy duty bench grinder 3/4 HP from Fred's, has a plastic casing on each end holding the bearings and a metal casing in the middle. They apparently relied on the grinding wheel metal guards to keep the plastic together.

I taped the cracked end up and it's gone back to being a one armed bench grinder.


Oh well, It seems perfect timing with Thane's new CRAP FREE ZONE policy. I somewhat understand his frustration, just hope it wasn't MIB putting poison in his koolaid.

I am grateful that Thane will continue to share developments and I hope that Thane will still help testers that have problems with their replications.

Regards,
Larry

 

   

[aether22]

I have tested my MOT generator and will post the figures first before I figure out who's argument they support.

One point I will make though is that i was unable to pull a secondary coil from the core so the secondaries remain further from the rotor pole and will hence tend to support Thanes position since the HC coils will have better access to the rotor flux meaning they should out preform and hence not all the difference will be because of more turns, some will be position on the core.

HC     HV
2.1     90.7    ohms
5.6     46.3    volts
500    19       milliamps

I tested a single MOT only, the coils were not in series.