Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[aether22]

First Bruce_TPU, I don't think those frequencies will be of any help here (though I've made note of 'em), the reason being that they are 2 different types of Free Energy device, the TPU is like most, based on a physics of the aether which we truly don't understand.

Thanes transformer however is based of straight forward electromagnetic principles working just slightly differently than would have been predicted. (the flux staying in the core)

The advantage is that you get a much easier device to engineer without any dangers or risks because it's a Free Energy device and that's all. (aetheric tech is very dangerous if misused to say the least whereas this (FE) transformer will never be anything other than a (FE) transformer)

Now again luc in black, myself in blue.

Hi all,

first I would like to thank Thane for joining the forum. It's going to really help to speed things up

I would like to ask all of you for your help with ideals and explanation to make a new Primary for testing Toroid 3 once again but this time with higher frequencies than 60Hz. I will be the one making a new one and need all your help and expertize.

Well if I understand it correctly you would want to saturate the core so that it becomes no more attractive than air to the fields we would rather stay in the ring, and that there is no advantage in using a low permability material if it's saturated anyway. (does that sound right to everyone else?)

Of course it's easier to saturate something smaller. (I think? but have my doubts on second thought. On 3rd thought I'm pretty sure that a smaller coil will create a denser field and hence saturate a core more readily )
You also want it to have good hysteresis and eddy current qualities (none).
So an I bar from a transformer or some iron powder/ferrite rod all sound ok. Thane, any idea what freq's the toroid cores go up to before becoming tooooo lossy?

As for the number of turns, do you have a meter to measure induction? If so you can just do a few test turns and work out from that what's desired, of course it will depend of on what voltage you are running it at and the freq's you want to hit. But getting these things right isn't my strong suit.

As you have seen in the pictures, the primary that was quickly made for testing could possibly be improved. The core of the primary is  2 pcs. of 1/8" (3mm)  Thick x  4 1/4" (108mm) Length x 1" (25mm) Wide solid steel strips of angle steel you buy in a hadware store. The magnet wire looks to be 16 gauge.

Thane gave me some thin steel transformer laminations which I could cut and group together of core. What do you think?

Sounds good, and you can tune the number of laminations

How many turns of wire, how Thick a core and how Wide?  The Length has to stay as above to fit inside the Toroid.

Please you input a.s.a.p.

Thanks

Luc


May I make other suggestions of tests you should try first?

Put DC through each of the coils in a bucking config (try it both ways to be sure) and test for magnitude of external field.
This is an important test since it proves the basis or this one, that the fields stay in the core.

And get a meter than can measure inductance and see how much inductance a coil has and how many it has when in reverse series with an equal turn primary of the other side.

Those 2 experiments are invaluable.


Edit: Incidentally due to thoughts on how tighter coils create denser magnetic fields I think I may have just invented my own superlame FE transformer.

Take several large normal toridal transformer cores and wind a coil over 4 (or more) of them so that as seen from above it  looks like a + sign with the just wound (secondary) coil in the center, the primary would be on one of the outside legs of one of the toroid cores. It may not really require (may even hurt) to have the other toroids there just have enough spacing between the toroid and the secondary winding. In fact one of my first FE idea from too many years ago to even think about was very much this idea with a slight difference only. I'm thinking now it would have worked!

The idea being of course that if a larger diameter coil produces a less intense magnetic field in the core while still recieving just as great an induction (which is true by my understanding) then that's OU. (Oh btw my idea from 13+? years ago was to have a number of core hugging counter turns in series with the well spaced sec, the idea being that they would counter the secondary field/increase the primary field while only cancelling a portion of the induced voltage)

[slapper]

Thanks for joining Thane.

Hmmm....Starting to sound like a Toroidal Power Unit.

I don't know but if gotoluc throws his magnet in the gap and more energy is seen I'm calling all bets off.

There might be room for some resonance too.

Thanks for the great work guys. Take care.

nap

[BasementExperiments]

Thane, thank you for being so open with everything, its quite the honor to have you here replying to quesitons. I'm nowhere near the experts you'll find here however I have some simple questions.

Have you tried powering anything with your discovery?

Such as a series of lightbulbs or another motor?

To me, this is the most important topic in the news right now and I'm trying to follow every development possible, this is a most incredible discovery!

[hveeder]

Hi,

I was wondering if the circuit (or circuits) is (are) grounded in some way, and if Thane's effect depends on grounding or is eliminated by grounding.

I ask this because Stiffler's circuit (discussed on the Vortex List) is used to power some white LEDs and it appears to produce more lumens (light) than can be accounted for by input power only when it is properly grounded.

Please don't ask me to elabourate, cause I am not knowledgeable about electronics and motors.

Harry

[aether22]

It seems that frequencies up to 25khz can be transformed by audio transformers which I guess have steel cores, at least the pictures of them I can find seem to show such. Hopefully Thane's is of a grade that can work in this range, Thane can you confirm?

That's over 400 times faster than what Thane used, it might be a little too high if you get much current to pass through the primary at all. (the higher the frequency the less current will pass through the primary, depending on what was limiting current input, higher frequencies may not mean more output just drastically lower input ;)

Now I have calculated that at 25khz if you wanted say 250ma through your primary from a 12v source (3w .vs 1248w at 60hz for the same emf) you would need to have about 300 microheneries of inductance so that might be a good value to aim for, not sure how many turns that would be on a core and it would be hard to calculate without trying it out first anyway.

Oh, and the point of that was that the current in primary would become 1/400th of what it was at 60hz while still apparently inducing the same energy in the secondaries, or with a few changes 400 times the output with the same input. (these changes would be a higher voltage and since higher voltage at the same current is simply more energy you would need to make the primary a resonant tank circuit)



Addition: I forgot to mention one possibly important thing.
In a normal transformer there is self induction from the secondary so if you put a square wave DC pulse into the primary you know that when when the current is steady state on and not changing that there is still an emf because if the current drops self induction comes in.
This transformer shouldn't have any/much self induction however so if the flux stops changing for a few millisecs the current and voltage might well drop to 0 momentarilty, so it is best to keep it constantly coming.
A square wave into the primary is ok only if I am either wrong or if the primaries self inductance is too high to let the current reach a stable point (where only resistance effect current flow not primary self inductance)