Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[CRANKYpants]

Actually I suggest that you do, but if you do that oscilloscope test the right way you will find out otherwise. But it is probably rather helpful to think that you understand it, keeps the hands busy and the mind quiet.

YOU ARE FUNNY - ARE YOU REALLY THIS CONDESCENDING IN PERSON OR IS IT BEING LOST IN THE TRANSLATION?

BE HONEST YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU BOTH, INDUCE AND DROP VOLTAGE ACROSS A COIL'S RESISTANCE AT THE SAME TIME ANY MORE THAN I DO...

T

[aether22]

YOU ARE FUNNY - ARE YOU REALLY THIS CONDESCENDING IN PERSON OR IS IT BEING LOST IN THE TRANSLATION?

I was just trying to state my piece and yet respect your views as of value even if I believe them to be wrong.

Really I am just not sure you are really ready for the oddness of the aether yet, rightly or wrongly I feel you'd rather stay closer to something resembling normal physics.

BE HONEST YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU BOTH, INDUCE AND DROP VOLTAGE ACROSS A COIL'S RESISTANCE AT THE SAME TIME ANY MORE THAN I DO...

I am not sure what you mean by 'induce and drop'.
What I do know is that since the HC coil is induced by the rotors flux and that since a common core HC coils induction drops when the HV is shorted that can only mean one thing, that the current in the HV coil is somewhere from 1 to 179 degrees behind the rotor flux and hence having a Lenz law deceleration on the rotor.

Wait, no, let me think about this a bit harder, I have made a diagram that shows what is going on.

So there is a possible 181 to 269 degree range the HV coil phase could exist in and reduce the HCC's access to the rotor flux while accelerating the rotor, however in such a phase the rotors EMF would be fighting the current in the HV coil and you would need to have it induced by something other than the rotor flux, something the HC coil does not 'see'.   I thought however that the reduction of induction to the HC coil was proof that the HV's phase was such that it could not cause acceleration, but I guess I was a tad tired and I was out by 90 degrees.

Still the chance of you finding the current being beyond 180 degrees is slim though having realized that reduction of rotor flux and acceleration do overlap it's not categorically impossible.

[i_ron]

..picture post

Nice pictures again, Thane.

Now I don't want to be a nu_Thanes, but when I run the rotor against a core there is a price to pay.

The rotor alone runs on 179 watts

Add one core and the watts used is 205

Add one more core for a total of two and it uses 230 watts

This is core drag. This would vary with the gap distance and speed (3600 RPM). These numbers are at 3mm (1/8th of an inch)

I would say that each core costs 25 watts to run at this speed and this gap distance.

The motor is inherently unstable below breakdown torque which is around 70% of full speed. So
the tests with the Ryobi should be run above 2500 RPM to be valid.

So there... did I manage to slide out from under the slap down?

Ron, the west coast # one

[CRANKYpants]

Now I don't want to be a nu_Thanes, but when I run the rotor against a core there is a price to pay.
The rotor alone runs on 179 watts
Add one core and the watts used is 205
Add one more core for a total of two and it uses 230 watts
This is core drag. This would vary with the gap distance and speed (3600 RPM). These numbers are at 3mm (1/8th of an inch)
I would say that each core costs 25 watts to run at this speed and this gap distance.
The motor is inherently unstable below breakdown torque which is around 70% of full speed. So
the tests with the Ryobi should be run above 2500 RPM to be valid.
So there... did I manage to slide out from under the slap down?

Ron, the west coast # one

NO NOT QUITE ... TELL ME IF THIS MAKES SENSE?

IF YOU ARE LIKE ME YOU HAVE YOUR TWO MOTS POSITIONED SUCH THAT THEY LINE UP WITH A NORTH AND A SOUTH POLE ON THE ROTOR - CORRECT?

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT YOU CAN INTRODUCE ANOTHER CORE IN THE MIDDLE OF ANOTHER NORTH AND SOUTH POLE PAIR ON THE ROTOR SUCH THAT THE INITIAL CORE DRAG IS DECREASED BECAUSE THE 1ST CORE DRAG IS BALANCED BY THE 2ND?

THE CORES SHOULD ALSO BE LAMINATED CORES - YOU CAN'T DO MUCH ABOUT HYSTERISIS AND EDDY CURRENTS.

"MAKE IT SO #1"

T

[CRANKYpants]

I was just trying to state my piece and yet respect your views as of value even if I believe them to be wrong.

GOOD I BELIEVE THEM TO BE WRONG ALSO - UNTIL PROVEN RIGHT.

Really I am just not sure you are really ready for the oddness of the aether yet, rightly or wrongly I feel you'd rather stay closer to something resembling normal physics.

VERY TRUE - I AM STILL GETTING USED TO THE ODDNESS OF AETHER22...

I am not sure what you mean by 'induce and drop'.

Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL)

The voltage changes (RISES OR DROPS) around any closed loop must sum to zero. No matter what path you take through an electric circuit, if you return to your starting point you must measure the same voltage, constraining the net change around the loop to be zero. Since voltage is electric potential energy per unit charge, the voltage law can be seen to be a consequence of conservation of energy.

SO YOU HAVE A HV COIL SIMULTANEOUSLY INDUCING AND DISSIPATING A VOLTAGE - WITH LITTLE OR NO CURRENT COMPARED TO A CONVENTIONAL HC COIL'S PERFORMANCE. DOES THIS NOT SOUND LIKE THE ANODE AND CATHODE OF A CAPACITOR TO YOU?

SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AT A LOW SPEED (FREQUENCY) THE HV COIL ACTS LIKE A NORMAL LENZ DICTATED COIL AND SLOWS THE ROTOR - THEN ABOVE A CERTAIN FREQUENCY (ROTOR SPEED) IT CHANGES PERFORMANCE 180 DEGREES.

IM MY LITTLE BRAIN THIS IS WHEN THE COIL'S IMPEDANCE CHOKES THE CURRENT FROM INCREASING BEYOND A CERTAIN POINT AND THE COIL STARTS ACTING MORE LIKE A CAPACITOR.

T