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Thane Heins Perepiteia.

Started by RunningBare, February 04, 2008, 09:02:26 AM

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aether22

Quote from: OUmon on June 12, 2008, 04:08:05 PM
I think it's because the acceleration/deceleration exploits the instability that was referred to earlier. Here's a thought experiment:

Place a rollercoaster car at the very peak of its track and position it carefully so that it sits there motionless. Shake the track enough to get it to start rolling. Which slope will it roll down?

Oh boy, you are such a lying untruthful scumbag, your word is worthless.
And here too you are stupid, if I open the coil again it decelerates (I stop shaking does the rollercoaster climb back up the track?), and you knew that busts your argument but you still said it, you said you would leave but your word is worthless, the official banning of your IP just makes you use a proxy. No, instead what I'll do is I will reply once per page to your sorry ass with a quick paragraph so no one can read much of this and fail to recognize you and your arguments for what it is.   One sip of koolaid per page.
?To forgive is to set a prisoner free and then discover that the prisoner was you.?  Lewis Smedes

aether22

Quote from: alan on June 12, 2008, 09:32:23 AM
How far can this be explained by conventional physics?

When I first said you were a spook everyone seemed a little skeptical, now I think everyone fully agrees, of course having Stefan verify that your PB and OUwoman personalities were one in the same helped, but hardly a surprise.

Yeah, I said one post per page but I meant one reply, it didn't include gloating, pointing and laughing at just how transparent your efforts are.

?To forgive is to set a prisoner free and then discover that the prisoner was you.?  Lewis Smedes

aether22

Seriously, don't read this, I'm making too many posts, but never the less if I'm gonna make a list of experiments I plan to do I might as well type them on here.

Do test to try and get initial deceleration results with the Old MOT stator, try and see what changes to make deceleration into acceleration assuming I can actually get deceleration with the HC coils on it again.

Replicate the test where I reported very underwhelming results with a 3x6 stack rotor, if the effect is conventional why would that have hurt it? (unless maybe rotor based losses are being effected, but nah)

Diode test; Just curious and it's so simple, why have I not grabbed a diode out of curiosity in all this time?
I'd note that thanes LED's don't count a they were bi directional and so never stopped half the coils action.

90 degree test: If this test works it would be very cool since no conventional explanation could possibly be given.

Pulley Test, as I said it has increased importance but I am a bit chicken and scared of acceleration turning up so I may do other tests first but I'll do it before Monday

Multitap test, shoting all tap points. (also do rotor/stator phase analysis to see if when a single tap point is causing deceleration if the phase is further from 180 than when no deceleration or acceleration is noted)

Torque sensor, or measuring reaction torque on motor housing. (to verify Vince's results)

The rest of these I have all already posted, but what they hey...

Battery shorting. Use a full wave bridge rectifier and then connect a battery as if the generator were charging it, only the battery should already be charged, the aim is to have the battery voltage and the generator voltage equal so no current flows but hopefully the aether still does and creates acceleration with almost no current. (get current as low as possible and measure and compare with current when directly shorted)

Removable coil.   A HV coil on an open core that can be removed as the generator is running, the aim is to see if an open circuit coil helps in the least, admittedly doubtful but possibler, it is worth noting that acceleration has been noted without shorting although if the coil ever played a part is not known.

Make coils that have too few turns (er, too little mass???) at the given speed to get the effect (push through to the motor) but do aetheric things to enhance them.

I would also note that a core made of many more fine steel wires would with fewer turns likely create a swifter aether flow, just as the laminated cores need fewer turns than solid ones.  Is it possible that a fine enough laminate/wire core would need no coil?  (as someone indeed found! though I don't recall who)


Pulley isolation of drive motor, then move into redirecting into surrogate devices:

Step 1: Isolate effect from prime mover.
Step 2: Direct effect into second motor (slowed down possibly by a rotor experiencing Lenz drag from HC coils)   
Step 3: Direct effect into second motor from external coils. (coil surrogate)
Step 4: Same but with external coil/s mounted around second motors rotor. (full surrogate, acceleration from shorting second motors stator coil alone must be either non existent or light so an improvement if present is apparent, putting coils in series has been shown to apparently increase the effect, this will tell us if the relative phase of the rotor and main stator component is important)
Step 5: Direct effect into stalled motor and various other tests.

HC coil induction increase. (on shorting HV coils, see if it works when they are on opposite sides of the shaft, if so that give another promising line of experiments)

Closed loop attempt:
Reduce air drag, then measure minimum energy to keep it spinning at high speed without stator present, then try to add stators and have it take less energy with it shorted (as Thane has done), See how many balanced or accelerated watts you can generate, then try and add another identical no net load watt generating rotor stator set. Try to keep the energy input if possible the same as it is with out any rotor at all. (although a vacuum can remove this loss)

Testing alternate motor types to drive the generator.

Rewind a conventional mot/gen to create acceleration on shorting.

Copy Thane, Make a prony brake.


That's a lot of tests!
?To forgive is to set a prisoner free and then discover that the prisoner was you.?  Lewis Smedes

i_ron

Quote from: aether22 on June 12, 2008, 06:47:48 PM
When I first said you were a spook everyone seemed a little skeptical, now I think everyone fully agrees, of course having Stefan verify that your PB and OUwoman personalities were one in the same helped, but hardly a surprise.

Yeah, I said one post per page but I meant one reply, it didn't include gloating, pointing and laughing at just how transparent your efforts are.



The one I like is:

Oh, and where are the schematics and drawings, maybe i will build it, though I lack the experience.

There are two wires coming out of the coil and a switch or jumper across these two... and this person who asks for the p/in and p/out and is so technically superior, asks for a schematic.....?

A22, I liked your phase gif in post 2665, good one, makes one think

Ron


aether22

Quote from: i_ron on June 12, 2008, 07:42:21 PM

A22, I liked your phase gif in post 2665, good one, makes one think

Ron


Yes, I found I pretty much needed to make a diagram to keep it straight in my head.
It really should be used as a learning aid to understanding these types of generators.
One note though and that is with the lenz force, and the attraction/repulsion that the further away you get from the center of the effect the weaker it becomes, it's obvious if you understand the diagram but not sure I made that clear.  At 179 degrees Lenz law is almost gone, but so is almost all induced voltage (it's barely helping the current) so to get there you need low losses witch means low current density which means lots of copper.

And that is part of why Thanes device works, the Lenz law effect (along with the energy) is almost abolished which makes any beneficial effect appear as acceleration, clearly part of the beneficial effect is aetheric and OU and hopefully not much else.
?To forgive is to set a prisoner free and then discover that the prisoner was you.?  Lewis Smedes