Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[CRANKYpants]

This now makes doing the pulley experiment high on my list of things to do.
The only problem is that in Thanes view the acceleration should occur with Pulley isolation as he no longer believes in his own results, and from my new perspective if I get the effect with pulley isolation I will have busted many of Thanes results which is not what I am going for. (of course Thanes opinion would be unchanged)
If I do end up busting most of Thanes solid core results then I will have to change tac and try and replicate the totally unassailible 'faster rpm with coils present and shorted than absent' since there is no way that can be discounted (whatever core types were used) besides assuming poor work from Thane which The PB's of this world will automatically assume but I won't ever. (not that PB acts anything like a real person with a single view, in fact it might not be a single person)

DEAR A(484/22),

MY VERY FIRST PROTOYPE EMPLOYED A PULLEY BUT IT WASTED TOO MUCH ENERGY.
THAT IS WHY I WENT TO THE PVC PIPE.

ALSO I GOT ACCELERATION FROM SOLID STEEL CORES.

T

[aether22]

Again, don't read this, I've said it all before and I am just trying to come to terms with the results of the past 2 days, I'm thinking aloud at least as much as you can with a keyboard.  it's therapy!

I got acceleration with a 1 inch steel core and a coil that though overdone is in line with Thanes HV coil, the magnets are the same as Thane uses.

I then used coils on the same core FAR FAR different to what Thane uses, and still got acceleration.

There are therefore a few possible conclusions.

One would be that my tests are both likely showing acceleration for the same reason. (sure, could be different reasons but the odds seem to be in favor of the same reason)

Another would be that since there are so many similarities between my test and Thanes that both of our tests work for the same reasons.

Another conclusion would be that if acceleration in either of my tests (HV or HC) is due to apparently conventional reduction of core loss braking effect then likely all experiments with those cores and magnets would also show the same effect. (seems the setups are too similar not to)

But if the latter is the case then there is no way in hell (excuse the french again) Thane should have missed such an effect, although I have no real idea as to what Thanes theory is as to why his brass coupler (and previous PVC coupler) experiments failed since he no longer believes those results are valid (and he ruled out rpm) but for the moment I'm going to put it down not due to him realizing he did some really crappy experiments as much as an act to rationalize what was happening without evoking the aether.

Also if those early solid core experiments show acceleration due to a conventional effect then again how come his effect is so obviously real in other experiments?  Could he really have started out with an artifact and worked his way into a similar real effect? Stranger things have happened but that sounds unlikely.


Ok, Vince, I said no one read this but if you do notice you name can you lay a few details on me.
What kind of cores did you use for your stators?

And can you draw a quick diagram or explain how you did those torque measurements?


Pressing post is part of the therapy

[aether22]

DEAR A(484/22),

MY VERY FIRST PROTOYPE EMPLOYED A PULLEY BUT IT WASTED TOO MUCH ENERGY.
THAT IS WHY I WENT TO THE PVC PIPE.

ALSO I GOT ACCELERATION FROM SOLID STEEL CORES.

T

Yes, but you did but you DID NOT get acceleration from solid steel cores without a solid steel shaft until you added umpteen stator coils.

And the 'conventional' acceleration effect if it really exists and applies under the conditions in our experiments should not go away just because you don't have an all steel shaft, then again neither should it with your generator sourced theory.

What my experiments yesterday showed was that acceleration can be achieved with a low number of turns which has the same quality as your effect, we have from that 1 of 2 likely conclusions:

Your effect with steel cores is real and can be achieved with coils of just a few turns, or
Your effect with steel cores is an artifact (or has a sizable artifact component that can cause false positives).

One piece of evidence that the latter is not the case you no longer accept (isolation)
Another piece of evidence you also no longer accept (Vince's torque).
Leaving by my count only the HV/HC thing which this experiment has pretty much busted and....
Your 'split phase' result of a higher rpm and lower current pull with stators present and shorted than not present.

There may be other pieces of evidence I am not aware of or not thinking of right now.

Oh, coil crazyness counts although it's not the most shiny piece of evidence and you couldn't use it to back up your theory of operation with anyone who isn't an aether head.

One thing is if I were you I'd seriously look at either dropping the claim that the acceleration force is applied from the generator (break the brass coupler out of the museum), or do another test with stators present and shorted or moved away to demo a net gain from the magnetic interaction as the previous test though bulletproof wasn't as impressive as it should be for pretty much the sole uncontested piece of evidence.

Your warning against the pulley is a bit of a drag (pun not intended), because thus far isolation has not worked for me with an inline coupler.(who knows, maybe your brass coupler was actively blocking the aether? and maybe your PVC experiments weren't as polished, pun subconsciously intended I'm sure)


Oh, BTW in the back of my mind is that for all you know I'm just another PB like spook who pretends to be for it then slowly smashes it, well if there is any doubt you can find my long history in the alt sci field, Keelynet and Beaty's vortex list (from like '97 or '98)and other lists, oh and more recently Joe Cell and so on, also while otherwise they hardly seem worth showing I can now easily enough (I hope) make a video of the HCC accelerations I was getting if you want 'proof' of them.

[CRANKYpants]

Your warning against the pulley is a bit of a drag (pun not intended), because thus far isolation has not worked for me with an inline coupler.(who knows, maybe your brass coupler was actively blocking the aether? and maybe your PVC experiments weren't as polished, pun subconsciously intended I'm sure)

WE WONDERED IF IN THE 2 FT PIPE EXPERIMENT IF PERHAPS THE MOTOR DIDN'T REQUIRE POWER TO CREATE ACCELERATION BUT JUST ROTATION 

T

[aether22]

WE WONDERED IF IN THE 2 FT PIPE EXPERIMENT IF PERHAPS THE MOTOR DIDN'T REQUIRE POWER TO CREATE ACCELERATION BUT JUST ROTATION 

T

Not sure I get what you mean.

But to clarify, in the experiments where you got acceleration with a plastic rotor or shaft you always had to be using 6 or so coils right?  1 or 2 would not do? (sheesh, now I'm rhyming)

And you still can't explain that?