Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[CRANKYpants]

You seem to be somewhat ambivalent about my suggestion! I think you may find, when the "pitbulls" ask the same questions, it will not be very productive to call them "lying scumbags" - you may be well advised to develop a more scientifically based response. It's also worth considering that they'll be reading this thread too and forming opinions from that.

"Conformity is the jailer of freedom and the enemy of growth." John F. Kennedy

WE DIRECT EVERYONE HERE...

INTELLIGENT SINCERE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS NO ADDITIONAL CORE AREA LOSSES TO NEGATE THE INCREASE IN OUTPUT ENERGY IF THE HV COILS ARE WOUND ON TOP OF THE HC COILS.

IT IS EXACTLY THIS KIND OF IMPROVEMENT WHICH IS THE FRUIT OF GENUINE WILLING EXPOSURE AS I AM DOING HERE DAILY - THIS WAY THE ADVANCEMENT OF THE TECHNOLOGY (AND JOY) CAN BE SHARED AMONGST ALL CONTRIBUTORS AND THE ROUTE TO COMMERCIALIZATION CAN BE EXPEDITED.

AT ANY RATE YOU ARE A LYING SCUMBAG NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT - WHO IS SOON TO BE BOOTED OFF THIS FORUM ONCE AGAIN.

AS FOR ME... MY DESIRE TO BRING THE TECHNOLOGY TO FRUITION WILL SPEAK FOR ME. T

"The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need men who can dream of things that never were." John F. Kennedy

[LarryC]

Thane's test using 3/8 HP motor:

DECELERATION 2000 - 470 RPM (BELOW 470 HC AND HV COILS BOTH COILS ACT AS BRAKES)

COIL ENGAGED          TIME
HC COILS ONLY            13 seconds
HC COILS & HV COILS   32 sesonds
HV COILS ONLY             42 seconds
NO COILS                       52 seconds
NO CORES                     158 seconds


Larry's test using 3/4 HP motor:

DECELERATION 1700-700 RPM (BELOW 700 HC AND HV COILS BOTH COILS ACT AS BRAKES)

COIL ENGAGED             TIME
HC COILS ONLY             17.39 seconds
HC COILS & HV COILS    17.79 seconds
HV COILS ONLY             19.58 seconds
NO COILS                       18.02 seconds
NO CORES                     35.59 seconds


I included the hundred as they would be more relevant with my shorter times. I'm sure, it is not that accurate but they should be all relative to my button pressing speed. My HC coil is only a 3/4 by 3/4 by 6" steel lamination bar with a 1 ohm coil, so it may account for the lesser HC effect. Part of the shorten time is due to the shorten rpm range, can only guess at the other reasons.

Larry 

[i_ron]

IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY PROVEN YOURSELF TO BE A LYING SCUMBAG MORE THAN ONCE ON THIS THREAD - I WOULD ALMOST AGREE AND ALMOST RESPECT YOU - BUT ALAS YOU ARE A LYING SCUMBAG.
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Thane

Thane, I view this as an overreaction. OUmon's comments were considered and reasonable.
The stated purpose was to be helpful. I like you because you are honest and not afraid to speak
your mind. But I fear you have overstepped yourself here and could have taken a politer approach.

Ron

[aether22]

I think that the questions are not properly formulated and so they will not satisfy the investors' "pitbulls" as you call them. The two questions should instead be:

1. Does the system deliver a greater overall efficiency with the HV inclusion than without?

2. Is this increase in efficiency greater than the loss of efficiency incurred by the attachment of the device to the system in the first place?

I think you have evidence to answer "yes" to the first question but all the evidence posted to date says that the answer to the second question is "no".

You make a good point...  wait, I'm gonna hurl!

What might make sense is if Thane takes an electrical generator and modifies it, though this is a bit further down the line what he'd do is...

Take 2 generators and power them via electric motors, something with a good efficiency under the conditions (speed) required.
leave one as is, but with the other add HV wire over the current coils.

The problem is that likely wouldn't be possible since there probably would not be enough room left for extra wire, there are several possible fixes (depending on the generator selected), none perfect.

So then the next best is to make 2 generators, both up to conventional efficiency standards (possibly have a 3rd generator to demo that fact) and then show that the one that includes the HV windings can become/is putting a smaller load on the motor for the same otr greater electrical output.

It might be an idea to use DC/Universal/Sync motors as they don't have induction motors issue.
However at the same time they may or may not actually benefit from the effect of the aetheric flux from the generator.

BTW when I get back into it I have concluded that the first test I will do is to measure the torque on the motor housing.

[LarryC]

@i_ron,

Tachometers:

I am using a cheap (20$ including shipping) magnetic based tach based on a bicycle tach. It seems to be very accurate, but as speeds get higher the reading will jump say from 1800 to 1812, with no in between. So you have to average. Also the highest it will go is 3000 rpm. You can check out at  http://www.instructables.com/id/Tachometer-made-from-a-bicycle-speedometer-cycloc/.
The model in the article is not currently sold, but the CATEYE VELO 8 is the current version.

Other testers have used hobby airplane propeller mini-tachometers which are just as cheap. Check out  http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0095P?FVSEARCH=lxpt31&search=Go. Don't know about any problems.

Thane, I view this as an overreaction. OUmon's comments were considered and reasonable.
The stated purpose was to be helpful. I like you because you are honest and not afraid to speak
your mind. But I fear you have overstepped yourself here and could have taken a politer approach.

CRANKYpants does go overboard at times, but it is caused by a long build up of relentless attacks by the powers that want his endeavors to fail. They come in many forms and try to hide their stripes by appearing well meaning. Hint: their most obvious trait is that when they are attacked, they never get mad or upset as a normal human would, they just try to slickly move on or change the subject.

Regards, Larry