Thane Heins Perepiteia.

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LOW IMPEDANCE COILS DO NOT CAUSE ACCELERATION WHEN LAMINATED CORES ARE USED - PERIOD.
Thane

Funny about that PERIOD!

It was acceleration observed from a low impedance laminated pick-up core/coil in one of my Adams motors in the late 1990's that led me to studying this effect (in isolation from an Adams motor), and designing my own generator utilizing solenoid cores
(very low impedance), which also exhibited the acceleration effect.

Adams himself, noted and documented the acceleration effect (as early as 1977) in his low impedance laminated core pick-up coils.

Cheers

[CRANKYpants]

MY BAD,

LOW IMPEDANCE COILS ON A SALIENT POLE GENERATOR DESIGN DO NOT CAUSE ACCELERATION WHEN LAMINATED CORES ARE USED WHILE SUPPLYING POWER TO A LOAD AT THE UNIVERSITY OF OTTAWA - PERIOD - BUT HIGH IMPEDANCE ONES DO - PERIOD.

CHEERS
(REAL PERSON USING REAL NAME - TRYING TO PRODUCE REAL RESULTS - NOT HIDING BEHIND A NICKNAME - PERIOD.)

Thane

[JustMe]

It was acceleration observed from a low impedance laminated pick-up core/coil in one of my Adams motors in the late 1990's that led me to studying this effect and designing my own generator utilizing solenoid (very, very low impedance) cores.

From what you've read here do you think all the various flavours of this effect (yours, Adams', Thane's, Steven's etc.) share the same cause?  Or would you describe them more precisely as 'related'?

Also, on your webpages you described your findings as neither strictly within or strictly outside current teachings, and stated outright here that you felt your own work definitely was not OU.  That said, do you share Thane's belief that there is a violation of the conservation of energy principle?

Finally, if your conclusions from your own work are completely correct would you describe that knowledge as new? If so, would it be a major revision to currently accepted knowledge, a footnote of sorts, or something much less than either of those?

Curious in Ontario

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CHEERS
(REAL PERSON USING REAL NAME - TRYING TO PRODUCE REAL RESULTS - NOT HIDING BEHIND A NICKNAME - PERIOD.)
Thane

@Thane
If you think that knowing or not knowing who I am is somehow relevant, then ask Uli for my details, (he has my email address, my full name, and my phone number), then accept that I have my own reasons for remaining anonymous and please respect my wishes to stay that way.

From what you've read here do you think all the various flavours of this effect (yours, Adams', Thane's, Steven's etc.) share the same cause?  Or would you describe them more precisely as 'related'?

Also, on your webpages you described your findings as neither strictly within or strictly outside current teachings, and stated outright here that you felt your own work definitely was not OU.  That said, do you share Thane's belief that there is a violation of the conservation of energy principle?

Finally, if your conclusions from your own work are completely correct would you describe that knowledge as new? If so, would it be a major revision to currently accepted knowledge, a footnote of sorts, or something much less than either of those?

Curious in Ontario

@JustMe
I think that the effect is created from the same cause/s. I do not think that it is O/U, nor do I think that there is a violation of conservation of energy. I would be glad to be proved wrong. But so far, I'm not convinced that a violation of C of E exists or has been presented.

I wouldn't describe knowledge of this effect as new, but I would descibe the knowledge as being overlooked,  understated, and not openly discussed or presented (taught) in normal electrical curriculums. I regard my own work on this phenomena as a mere footnote to existing knowledge.

I still believe that the effect can be utilised for positive outcomes.

Cheers

[aether22]

@A22,

Have you checked out:

Lloyd H. Dixon Jr.
Eddy Current Losses in Transformer Windings and Circuit Wiring

It not as simple as your chart indicates. We have serious layer issues!

Regards, Larry

PS: Should we all move over to Thane's new thread, where he would have some control?

I don't think so Larry, though I will say right up front I'm no expert on high frequency skin effect, I really have not looked at it until reading that pdf, but it is not addressing serial turns but parallel ones.

Basically what it states is that you can't make a low skin effect fat conductor by putting bundles of thin conductors together even if they are insulated because current loops will complete where they are in fact joined, the only way around this is to have the position of every strand in the package occupy every position equally over a given length so they are all equal.

It does not mean that a long HV coil of a thin conductor will suddenly gain a skin effect, assuming I understand it correctly which I think I do however minimally, though I have not read it close enough to be 100% and I do not have a sufficient intuitive understanding of the skin effect to say that that is not the case, still I am more that a little skeptical.

I am about to shoot a quick video of the torque increase measurement though I have a test I want to do first.