Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[aether22]

Ach, disappointing.Not so, I'm afraid.  When the generator causes acceleration by reducing losses, the motor torque stays the same.  It is the difference between motor torque and generator back-torque that accelerates the rotor.
So... this result quite contradicts your earlier one.  Do you know what changes you may have made that might affect it?

There are no changes.

But I disagree, if I am pushing a car and someone realizes the hand brake was on just a bit and takes it off the car will accelerate but I can not transmit as much force to it anymore.
It still accelerates but the pressure must reduce as acceleration is the act of the thing being pushed moving away from the thing pushing it.

The only way it could remain constant would be if more current flowed through the stator but that does not happen.
Now I am not saying the different would be huge but it is real, except possibly for induction motors quirky torque increase at higher rpm's.

[OUmon]

... if I am pushing a car and someone realizes the hand brake was on just a bit and takes it off the car will accelerate but I can not transmit as much force to it anymore.
It still accelerates but the pressure must reduce as acceleration is the act of the thing being pushed moving away from the thing pushing it...

Not true, A22. There's nothing to stop you "transmitting as much force to it" - it will just accelerate more, that's all.

Your statement "acceleration is the act of the thing being pushed moving away from the thing pushing it" is incorrect. The correct definition is given by this equation, which is not the same thing at all:

acceleration = force / mass

[hoptoad]

WHO SAYS IT IS IN PHASE?
WHY WOULD A HC COIL BE IN PHASE - AND CAUSE DECELERATION.
AND HV COILS BE IN PHASE AND CAUSE ACCELERATION BUT ONLY ABOVE A CERTAIN FREQUENCY?
MY HUNCH HAS ALWAYS SUGGESTED THE HV COIL'S INCREASED  (PUT YOUR OWN IDEA HERE)
IS CAUSING ENOUGH OF A DELAY TO CREATE ACCELERATION. IT MAY BE A DELAY IN FIELD PRODUCTION
OR CORE LAG ETC - BUT THE EFFECT IS REAL.

REAL ENOUGH TO OVERCOME LENZ'S LAW EFFECTS (AT NO ENERGY COST OR LESS) AND LIGHT THE LIGHTBULB AND DELIVER POWER TO A LOAD WHEN NEITHER OF THESE WERE POSSIBLE PRIOR TO ENGAGING THE HV COILS.

SO BRINGING THESE KINDS OF IDEAS AND RESULTS TO THE LIGHT OF DAY IS NOT EASY AS ANYONE CAN CLEARLY SEE - BUT THE PEOPLE WHO DID SO PREVIOUSLY - DID NOT DO IT WHILE HIDING UNDER A LILLY PAD - BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY THOUGHT AS I DO THAT THE INFORMATION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN THEIR FEAR - MORE IMPORTANT THAN THEIR INFINITELY SHORT (AND OTHERWISE MEANINGLESS) LIVES.

SO DO I RESPECT YOUR RIGHT TO BE ANONYMOUS - NO.
DO I THINK YOU HAVE ZERO CREDIBILITY BECAUSE YOU ARE FEARFUL - YES.
ARE YOU GOING TO DIE - YES
IS LIVING IN FEAR WORSE THAN DEATH - YES

YOUR PERSISTENT COWARDLINESS ONLY JUSTIFIES WHY TERRORISM EXISTS AND CONTINUES - INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH THAT IS THE REAL REASON WHY I AM DOING WHAT I AM DOING.

Thane

    .... Oh what a hero !

And yes you are right - information is important. More important than ones own ego.
Public knowledge of identities is not important - unless you're touting for other peoples money (funding) which I am not. And if you want the glory / accolades for bringing information to light - which I don't.

I have never said that your effect is not real. I simply disagree with your explanation for the effect.

Good luck with your efforts - With your attitude, I think now, more than ever, you will need it!

[CRANKYpants]

I am pushing a car and someone realizes the hand brake was on just a bit and takes it off the car will accelerate but I can not transmit as much force to it anymore.

WHAT IF HOPTOAD REALIZED OUmon WAS ACTUALLY STUCK UNDER THE CAR BACK IN 1940 AND IT WASN'T THE HANDBRAKE AT ALL - BUT NO ONE CARED BECAUSE HE HAD NOU CREDIBILITY?

MONDAY TEST RESULTS

FURTHER TO MY "INCREASED FREQUENCY HYPOTHESIS" I CHANGED MY 6 POLE ROTOR TO AN 18 POLE ROTOR TODAY - 18 x 2 MAGNETS.

GENERALLY I CANNOT GET ACCELERATION BELOW 75ish VOLTS TO THE MOTOR STATOR.
WITH 36 MAGNETS ON THE ROTOR AND 3 TIMES THE WEIGHT I AM NOW ABLE TO GET ACCELERATION AT 56 VOLTS TO THE MOTOR WITH A DECREASE IN ROTOR SPEED BUT AN INCREASE IN COIL FREQUENCY.

ALSO:

FROM TABLE 4 OF THE FULL SPEED TEST DATA PREVIOUSLY POSTED THE HC POWER DROPPED FROM 14.9 WATTS TO 7.7 WHEN THE HV COILS WERE ENGAGED. NOW WITH THE ADDED MAGNETS ON THE ROTOR THE VOLTAGE ACROSS A 1 OHM LOAD DROPPED BY 0.2 VOLTS ONLY WHEN THE HV COIL WAS ADDED.

THANKS TO I_RON'S CONTRIBUTIONS I AM NOW WINDING MY HV COILS ON TOP OF THE HC COILS AND BOTH ARE STARTED IN TANDEM SO CORE LOSSES ARE MINIMIZED.

THIS IS IMPORTANT FROM A CHEEZE WIZZ DUNE BUGGY POINT OF VIEW BECAUSE THE GENERATOR CRITICAL MINIMUM SPEED (BEFORE BRAKING STARTS) IS REDUCED AND CORE LOSSES ARE REDUCED AND GENERATOR OUTPUT IS INCREASED.

Thane

[CRANKYpants]

I simply disagree with your explanation for the effect.

YOU HAVE NO GROUNDS TO DISAGREE ONLY AN ANONYMOUS OPINION - YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE ME WRONG SO YOU CAN BE RIGHT - THAT'S PB'S JOB.

ANYWAY I ALREADY KNOW I AM NOT 100% RIGHT AND I DON'T CARE.

MY EXPLANATION IS ONLY A STARTING POINT WHICH IS MEANT TO OPEN THE SUBJECT UP FOR DEBATE AND TESTING. IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO CONTRIBUTE CONCERNING EDDY CURRENTS IN HIGH GAUGE HIGH IMPEDANCE WIRE I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR IT.

IF I_RON, LARRYC, OR A22 DISAGREE AFTER DOING SOME WORK WHICH IS RELATED TO THIS TOPIC NOT SOMETHING OFF TOPIC THEN I WOULD HAVE AN ATTITUDE OF GRATITUDE EVEN IF I DID NOT LIKE WHAT THEY ARE SAYING.

I AM SORRY WE LIVE IN A WORLD WHERE OUR POLITICIANS AND CORPORATIONS ACT WITHOUT BEING ACCOUNTABLE - I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH THE INTERNET POT SHOTS I GET ON AN ONGOING BASIS - SO I OVERREACTED - MY APPOLOGIES GEORGE CARLIN MADE ME DO IT!

I HAVE TO ADMIT I DO ENJOY FROGS LEGS WITH GARLIC BUTTER THOUGH! 

Thane