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[hoptoad]

So Hoptoad, according to your theory, now that I purchased a 16 seer heat pump and saving over $150 on average a month over the old 10 seer unit then I must be getting OU and not an increase in efficiency So please explain!

Regards, Larry 

No, not at all. I'm simply pointing out to hydro that he presented a bad example because he was implying that getting 4400 watts out of a 746watt motor is not O/U but merely higher efficiency.

Read what hydro wrote again ... (bold lettering - my edit)
Quote:"author=hydrocontrol link=topic=4047.msg160352#msg160352 date=1235773799"

.........Now what if you can improve that generator so it can produce 4400 watts using a 1 hp weed eater engine. You are now talking about using a lot less gasoline to produce the same amount of energy. See it does not have to be OU to be very beneficial. "

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Now if anyone were able to get 4400w out from 746w in, then they obviously have higher efficiency and O/U.

I have no idea how efficient your old 10 seer was (whatever that is), but its obviously not as efficient as your new 16 seer, for the load you are expecting it to drive, otherwise you wouldn't have the savings you're now getting.

Of course you can have higher efficiency without O/U, but you cannot have O/U without higher efficiency. After all, O/U is more than 100% efficiency, is it not?

Also, it is simple math, not theory.
1 horsepower = 746 watts : 6 horsepower = 6 x 746 which is 4476 or (4400 rounded down).
If that 1 horsepower motor was 100% efficient then the maximum output would be 1 horsepower (746 watts).
If anyone were getting 4400w (6 horsepower) out of their 1 horsepower motor then they would be getting O/U.
Tell me where I can a get a 1 horsepower motor that can output 6 horsepower and I'll jump at the chance to buy it.!!

Cheers

[hydrocontrol]

Bad example hydrocontrol, because 746 watts equals 1 horsepower, so if you were able to get 4400watts from a 1 horsepower weed eater, then you would be getting 6 times more output than input, which would obviously be OU.

Cheers

First off I was just doing a "loose comparison" for the sake of explanation by doing a google of a standard gas generator to get a rough 4400 watts for 6.5 hp.

Second. we have to look at how 746 watts equals 1 horsepower and how it was derived.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/horsepower.htm
" It is that arbitrary unit of measure that has made its way down through the centuries and now appears on your car, your lawn mower, your chain saw and even in some cases your vacuum cleaner."

So we have "horse power" as an arbitrary unit. So what if we have a "super horse" that could generate 4400 watts of energy instead of 746 watts. A horse on  steroids. Seems to happen to athletic players all the time.    Now you have a horse on steriods that can change that "arbitrary unit " definition of "746 watts equals 1 horsepower" to a higher value. Does that mean OU. No. It means you have a better horse.

[aTg]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7EouRfGvN4

[broli]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7EouRfGvN4

Your comment less posts leave a lot to be desired. I believe what we should get out of this is "My setup shows how nicely Lenz law is in effect without any acceleration." ?

[aTg]

Well, if the configuration is what is supposed to produce acceleration in the engine and it works exactly the law of Lenz.