Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[aether22]

Tinu, from reading your reply I find nothing worth replying to, other than to say that you have ignored that the effect works with motors run at a high level of efficiency and that changing the efficiency of the motor with the back-emf from the generator is not explainable by current physics, it does not matter how interesting you find the effect to be, you have not argued the effect does not exist only that it does not interest or impress you, so I suggest you leave.

[hoptoad]

BUT JUST DECREASING LOSES TO SOME EXTEND [/color] (which seems impressive from visual point of view but totally irrelevant).? [/color]

........         totally irrelevant     hmmmmmm........KneeDeep

[aether22]

:Quote "Thane is the first to find that the effect is the result of the back-emf/aether".
I Disagree. Adams attributed this effect to "aether gating".

I can't be bothered checking what I said but what I meant to say is: Thane is the first to find that the effect is the result of the back-emf/aether getting into the motor when conducted into the motor improving motor performance.
Adams did not find such since he did not AFAIK use separate motors with and without an aether conducting  shaft.


Beyond that, I also disagree with Adams. IMHO, there is no O/U or "aether gating" going on here

I know the aether IS in play, no doubt and it can be proven with experiments I have sent you in pm.

As for overunity I believe it has been demonstrated by such systems but even IF it has not with this type it is achievable with other setups. (meaning other than mot/gen)

:Quote "And really that IMO is the greatest breakthrough, many have made generators like this, but finding motors detect this 'energy' is an extremely important breakthrough."

I'm still open minded on this one. More information please........KneeDeep.......

Well I sent you a private message, one test which I think that stands a fair chance of working is outputting (from the gen) to another external coil and using this coil to effect motors just as Thane has shown the 'whatever' from the generator coil to effect the motor only in this case more directly, if that works then establish the current level in the coil and recreate with a normally sourced electric current and compare 2 identical coils with the same ampere turns of DC, if this 'energy' is flowing through the wires of the alternator energized coil it should have different effects.

Achieving these magnetic phase shifts is actually quite easy with low impedance coils, wound heel end style on solenoid cores, and using high speed rotor drivers.

Heel end style means that the coil is only wound on the front half of the core, right?
Please clarify what you mean by 'solenoid cores', are you talking about the cylindrical iron cores you mention on the site?

If you have a model handy spin it up and try some of these experiments I mentioned before I get to 'em.

[hoptoad]

@aether22

:quote "Please clarify what you mean by 'solenoid cores', are you talking about the cylindrical iron cores you mention on the site?"

Yes, by solenoid, I mean hollow cores. You will have a significant decrease in magnetic drag without a co linear equivalent loss of
magnetic coercivity of the core. The overall electron yield of the total core mass may decrease slightly with decreasing mass, but the percentage electron yield per unit mass will increase greatly, in conjunction with the decreased drag. Any hollow iron core material is preferable to a solid core, but nickel-iron-tin alloys, or MU-Metal for the hollow cores, will yield superior output and phase shifting characteristics.

:quote "If you have a model handy spin it up and try some of these experiments I mentioned before I get to 'em."

After recently moving interstate, I'm not geared up for anything in the model arena at the moment. .......KneeDeep.....
no tools, no workshop, a limited budget and very little time..............But I wont rule it out 
Curiosity killed the Cat... KneeDeep... I hope it doesn't kill the frog!

Cheers

[tinu]

Tinu, from reading your reply I find nothing worth replying to, other than to say that you have ignored that the effect works with motors run at a high level of efficiency and that changing the efficiency of the motor with the back-emf from the generator is not explainable by current physics, it does not matter how interesting you find the effect to be, you have not argued the effect does not exist only that it does not interest or impress you, so I suggest you leave.

Oh, but that?s exactly what I implied: the effect does not exist at all as long as we speak about Lenz law. I would find it extremely interesting, if real. Unfortunately this was not the case here with what was presented so far.

Improvement in efficiency is something easily achievable (enough while maintaining losses to increase the magnetic field by any means to get an improved efficiency) especially in commercial motors, which were not designed for best efficiency but for best cost-performance ratio. That and hiding behind crude and miss-interpreted data is not impressing me much.

At least I fully agree with you that it is not much substance to discuss into this thread and I?ll leave it. My small contribution besides pointing to the fact that subject is very thin was, if it may be reminded, that instead of using a motor-shield(metal and/or coil)-magnet setup, one can use a much cheaper and much facile transformer-shield-magnet setup. It behaves exactly the same way in all respects and it?s not subject to mechanical parameters (hence better data on power in, power out, losses) and to so much internal/constructive variability as in motors.

See you all later,
Tinu