Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[innovation_station]

how much more progress must be made...

have a look at my first tranny test video agin for the first time .......


it looks like bak emf to me .. or better knowen as radient engery .....

i used only the primary.... so.... i guess it was not a tuned curcuit .....

also in that video i see..... much more power out than in ....

as well you all say seeing is BELEAVING  right lol

here is the youtube link   http://youtube.com/watch?v=sD5xQmvb5ao


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[polarbreeze]

... It's hard from the outside to assess where the focus needs to be next.  Does is need to be on proving the back emf theory so it can be accepted as something new and worth exploring?...

umm, back emf isn't exactly "new"!!

[kjkent1]

So much theoretical discussion -- so little practical demonstration.

I don't understand why so much effort is invested in trying to get others to "believe" that Mr. Hein's device works. The "money zone" is simply demonstrating that the motor can be put to some practical use, with results superior to anticedent systems. Once you accomplish this, the theoreticians will come leaping in to try to explain what's happening. Until you accomplish a practical use demo, however, few will care -- outside of this thread, that is.

Perhaps it's a catch-22 situtation where little progress can be made without further investment that depends on more progress being made before anybody is willing to invest.  It's hard from the outside to assess where the focus needs to be next.  Does is need to be on proving the back emf theory so it can be accepted as something new and worth exploring? To me, even if we accept that the force at play is indeed back emf, we still have to see what happens beyond the early stage acceleration that has been described as a postitive feedback loop.  Back emf captured - maybe, but that means it is still a closed system and mother nature has proved so gloriously tricky in the past. I'd be very interested to know where others think this needs to go next, what needs to be quantified first etc. and what Thane would like to see happen.

A catch-22 implies that the only method by which a goal may be accomplished is by means of accomplishing the goal.

Here, a demonstration of Mr. Hein's device doing ANY sort of practical work at an efficiency level above what would ordinarily be expected will accomplish the goal of proving the device's usefulness. Therefore, there is no catch-22.

It seems to me that the only thing stopping Mr. Heins is his unwillingness or inability to create a practical demonstration. That is to say, if Thomas Edison were in possession of Hein's device, he would have hooked it up to something by now and done something with it. Edison was not an inventive genius, as much as he was a man driven to produce useful tools.

I think that Mr. Helins could learn something from Edison's history.

[JustMe]

umm, back emf isn't exactly "new"!!

Thanks for setting me straight.

[polarbreeze]

umm, back emf isn't exactly "new"!!

Thanks for setting me straight.

You're welcome - it's just a question, as you said to me, of "getting the basic facts straight". Back-EMF, Lenz's Law and the Conservation of Energy are some of those basic facts.