Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[JustMe]

>Perhaps it's a catch-22 situtation

Perhaps it's a catch JustMe situation!  bitch, trying to catch me!!  I thought were were friends!

What the HOLY HELL are you talking about aether22? Why on earth would you call me a bitch? I've expressed privately to you my respect for your work and my appreciation for your time more than once.  Jesus, don't worry, I won't bother you again.

[ramset]

 NOT good fellows!!!  take this out to the parking lot   Chet

[gotoluc]

Does anyone know what happened with the toroid with the new primary?

@M@rcel, If you are talking of the primary I made for Thane's Toroids, then I know about it.

We have some very interesting results .

I have made 2 primaries this week and so far the 2nd one is working so well that we are having difficulty understanding why it is doing what it is.

Thane and I have been at the Ottawa University all weekend testing it. At this moment I am just waiting for Thane to send me the data of the test and I will post it as soon as I get it.

Stay tuned

Please everyone here
If you do not find the information posted here to be satisfactory to prove to you what we don't even understand ourself, then I suggest for you come to Ottawa for a demonstration and make your own measurements and conclusions. If you cannot come to Ottawa then please build it for yourself. If you cannot build it for yourself, then wait some time and we will build units that you can buy and see the workings of it for yourself.

Luc

[polarbreeze]

PB:
You can't be serious?  His name has been mentioned at least 4 or 5 times, and there was an attachment or two pertaining to the U of O collaboration.  Are you honestly that unaware of this important aspect?  I would think that you of all people would be VERY MUCH aware of the details of an objective, academic expert's involvement.  Unless of course, you're just interested in delaying progress by keeping Thane and others busy with answering questions or responding to your suspicions and innuendos.

Are you also unaware of the details of Steve and Luc's visits there?  Not good... I'd say your sincerity about this is seriously in question... if not in the toilet or even down the drain.  I'd suggest that you start reading from page-[1] including all attachments, and your next post should confirm who that Ottawa U professor is...

There's no need to get personal. Consider how it would look to, say, a prospective investor trying to do a detailed and objective investigation into this project. A lot of the emotional stuff that gets posted in this forum is really not very helpful to Thane's credibility, by association.

You might also stumble across an interesting letter Thane posted from a PhD, PEng from U of Toronto, in which he states:

"Stay out of the limelight, and ignore any critical skeptics; don't let your energy get tied up in responding. 
   Develop the new technology; it will market itself; you do not have to persuade sceptics.

You're referring to Dr Townsend and a crucial piece of advice he also gave in the same letter was to stick with reporting actual measurements of power, input versus output. This is the same thing that I have been asking for but it has not been forthcoming.

[JustMe]

A catch-22 implies that the only method by which a goal may be accomplished is by means of accomplishing the goal.

Here, a demonstration of Mr. Hein's device doing ANY sort of practical work at an efficiency level above what would ordinarily be expected will accomplish the goal of proving the device's usefulness. Therefore, there is no catch-22.

It seems to me that the only thing stopping Mr. Heins is his unwillingness or inability to create a practical demonstration. That is to say, if Thomas Edison were in possession of Hein's device, he would have hooked it up to something by now and done something with it. Edison was not an inventive genius, as much as he was a man driven to produce useful tools.

I think that Mr. Helins could learn something from Edison's history.

Without knowing really what Thane has planned, or what new resources (time, money, expertise, knowledge etc.) may be needed to get there, or what progress may already have been made, it's hard to know if this is a valid critisism at this point.  I put the question privately to someone the other day like this:

"In your view, how important is understanding the mechanism responsible for the effect to making progress on the engineering side? Is it imperative that one understands precisely what's going on to apply it effectively and efficiently? Or can research and development happily co-exist?"

In other words, it's not clear to me where the effort needs to be right now to get from point A to point B in the best and most productive way. Of course, it doesn't have to be. It just has to be clear to Thane, and any of the replicators out there, whatever their respective theories may be.