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Thane Heins Perepiteia.

Started by RunningBare, February 04, 2008, 09:02:26 AM

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baroutologos

Dear Thane,

I closely studied the past days the forum overunity.com (it took me too much time) where your posting are regarding the Perepiteia
Correct me if I am wrong.

PART 1

you say: the motor must run well below its max rmp. Why is that? If net mechanic output is created it has notning to do with motor max output rpm.

you say also: a piece of iron can create a lot o cogging torque. That means the unsorted coils can easily act as plain iron cores that brakes the whole system from its very start and when shorted the coils, somehow release the brake?

Perhaps this phenomenon (break release) occurs both to HV coils and HC coils. Consider the following regarding the VC coil that is the heart of Perepiteia energy creator.

LOW VELOCITY of  rotor


HV coil at low velocity -> unshorted (has drag, and motor has decreased speed than no coils at all present)   -------------------------> motor has less rpm than no coils and cores around.
                                                    (Core losses drag = x)

HV coil at low velocity -> shorted (drag is diminished due to shorting , but enough current is flowing and produces Lenz's Law drag far more intense than previously unshorted "brake drag" -------------> motor deccelarates
                                                  Core losses drag-> near zero, Lenz's Law ---> Y,  so x <<Y

HIGH VELOCITY rotor

HV coil at High velocity -> unshorted (has drag, and motor has decreased speed than no coil present) (always has) 
------------->motor less rpm than no coils and cores around.
                                                      (Core losses drag = x1)

HV coil at High velocity -> shorted (drag is diminished due to "brake release", but not enough current is flowing thanks to coil impedance thus not signifficant opposing force according  to Lenz' Law is created.

In other words at this high frequency virtualy no current is flowing (even though high voltage measurements are taken) thanks to the "inertia" of the current to pass through high impedance at this small fraction of time. Making a dead generator (HV coil). 

Concluding the producing Lenz's Law effect is way lower than the lifted drag ------------> motor speeds up, but not to above its max rpm (as Thane stated)
                                                   (Core losses drag -> near zero, but Lenz's Law -> near zero)
               
Now the combination of HV coil and HC coil is a mix of "brake release" gains and Lenz's law losses.

PART 2

Bottom Line, if the self excited motor coils are as said; how much mechanic output contribution has each one? 10 of them? In a bench grinder the friction loses are quite low, so why is there the need to keep the motor running so as HV coils operate? If self excited when employed they should create torque. Above some critical point, they should be able at least to maintain the rpm of the rotor, overcoming any frictions (since they produce energy) without the help of the motor, but I am afraid this is not the case. Is not it?

I hope I am wrong..

I speak without bad intention, since such observations became obvious to me from trying to replicate your prototype. Pls if you have any answers and you want to share with me, feel free to.

As always I look forward your reply.

Kind Regards,
Panos
-----------------------------------
hoping to a brighter future

CRANKYpants

Quote
Looks good, is that still the 6 inch Ryobi? it looks bigger, maybe 'cause the pictures are small....
How many magnets stacked, two? Where do you get a double cup to hold them?

SAME MOTOR, 1 MAGNET x 18.

QuoteHave you tried separate HC coils, or is the coil over all three legs the best producer?   
Good Luck
Ron

SO FAR I CAN GET 25 WATTS @ 2300 RPM (WITH HV ACCELERATION) WITH THE "CALIFORNIA CHRISTMAS" CONCENTRIC BI-COIL WITH THE MOTOR VOLTAGE SET AT 85 V - INCREASING THE MOTOR INPUT TO 130 VOLTS AND NEGATING THE HV COILS PRODUCES ONLY 2.5 WATTS @ 3000 RPM.

COUPLING THE HV COIL WITH THE HC COIL IS NOW THE MAIN FOCUS AND TRYING TO BE PREPARED...
"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ...

CHEERS
T




i_ron

Quote from: CRANKYpants on December 18, 2008, 06:35:29 PM

"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ...

CHEERS
T


Victoria can now be considered as part of Canada...
I promise not to make fun of your weather...(for a short period of time, lol)

Ron

CRANKYpants

Quote from: i_ron on December 22, 2008, 05:30:51 PM
Victoria can now be considered as part of Canada...
I promise not to make fun of your weather...(for a short period of time, lol)

Ron

IS THAT "ENEMY SNOW"?

T

Thaelin

   I am in Portland Ore. and we got about 12". Goes to prove global warming right?


cant find my pic of rotflmao   ;D

   But we do have rain on the way and it will all melt off and flood all over the place.

thaelin