Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[hoptoad]

@polarbreeze.   Quote:  ?hoptoad, could you please post your efficiency measurements??

I would but can?t. Polarbreeze, I recently moved interstate from a quiet little country town in South Australia called Marion Bay, to another bigger country town in Victoria called Torquay. Both towns are about 1000 km apart. All my equipment, models, notes, data etc, are safely tucked away in a locked cabinet in my shed back in Marion Bay. My wife and I only intended to be where we are currently living for a month?s holiday.

We?ve been here for 12 months now, and in the interim period, we have leased out our own property for holiday rentals. I have no idea if or when I might return home to South Australia.

To put things into a little historical context, The experiments I carried out which are represented on page 10 were carried out in 2001-2002. The website I recently posted is drawing upon memory. Since I cannot remember the exact amp/current/rpm figures, any curves showing actual readings would be untruthful. But the resultant curve shapes and curve relationships were easy to remember. Burnt into my memory as a result of surprise at the unexpected !

@polarbreeze.   Quote:  ?There's a lot of arm-waving going on about this?

LOL??   .Sounds like a lot of fun, I?d like to see that !!

@polarbreeze.   Quote:  ? and it sounds like you have actually made efficiency measurements to that would give us an objective proof the the device is providing efficiency improvements.?

In spite of not being able to post figures which give empirical credence to the curves drawn on page 10, I stand by those curves as representative of my experimental results.

@polarbreeze.   Quote:  ? This would silence the skeptics.?

I don?t want to silence anyone, especially the skeptics. Skepticism is healthy and life saving. It stops us all running off the edge of cliffs like lemmings. It promotes debate and helps to advance true understanding. However, if someone is exclusively an armchair skeptic, I couldn?t care less about their opinion. But I do value the opinions of skeptics who stop waving their arms and puts them to good use by actively replicating an experiment.

Lets, face it, the experiment I outlined on page 10 of my site is very easy to reproduce. There is no requirement for advanced electronics or mechanical knowledge. Just common sense, a little bit of mechanical accuracy, and a sense of safety, due to high rotor speeds involved.

The total material costs (including DC motors) is under $100. And the time needed to set it up and see results for yourself is not great. If you are a skeptic who wants to be convinced one way or another, then collect your own empirical results and derive your conclusions from them.

The most convincing and easiest way to debunk or verify an experimental result and conclusion is to try the experiment yourself.

If you find glaring problems or differences with my conclusions, please inform me. Although I ceased these particular experiments early in 2002 due to ill health at the time, I?m still very curious about the effect, and am eager for more information, even if it proves my conclusions to be wrong.

Cheers all from the Toad who Hops      KneeDeep 

[OilBarren]

Polar:
"The energy stored in the rotor is NOT "free" - it is supplied by the motor, which in turn is supplied by the electrical power input. In addition, for some of the experiments, the power to help the rotor get up to speed is supplied by Thane's hand".

OK - NOW I'VE HEARD EVERYTHING!

Thanks for setting me straight.
Thane

[hoptoad]

PROVED THE MOTOR COULD NOT ACCELERATE THE ROTOR WHEN THE GENERATOR WAS NOT MAGNETICALLY COUPLED TO THE MOTOR.

@Oilbarren

This is where I get a little perplexed, and think that the steel rotor redirects the "effect" away from coil electrical output. The conclusion drawn in the quote above is in direct contradiction to my own experiments conducted in 2002, which used a non magnetic rotor to specifically avoid, as much as possible, any magnetic coupling between the output coils and the driving motor. In fact, I also used a non magnetic brass shaft on the generator (alternator) and coupled it to the steel shaft of the motor with high density vulcanised rubber tubing to ensure greater decoupling.

Go figure 

[aether22]

PROVED THE MOTOR COULD NOT ACCELERATE THE ROTOR WHEN THE GENERATOR WAS NOT MAGNETICALLY COUPLED TO THE MOTOR.

@Oilbarren

This is where I get a little perplexed, and think that the steel rotor redirects the "effect" away from coil electrical output. The conclusion drawn in the quote above is in direct contradiction to my own experiments conducted in 2002, which used a non magnetic rotor to specifically avoid, as much as possible, any magnetic coupling between the output coils and the driving motor. In fact, I also used a non magnetic brass shaft on the generator (alternator) and coupled it to the steel shaft of the motor with high density vulcanised rubber tubing to ensure greater decoupling.

Go figure 

Yes, I think you both are finding the same thing, only in Thanes it is directed to the motor and either not effecting the generator because of too low a speed or because 'it' is being conducted away (into the rotor and any magnetic portion of the shaft).

And again I would like to express just how unlikely it is that it could be a magnetic field for those who have only recently started reading this thread.

A magnetic field does not move very far through steel without loosing the vast majority of of it's strength in an open circuit, but  we are meant to believe that the magnetic field from the coil (by all accounts not awfully powerful) passes through a super strong neodymium magnet (12,000 gauss) which is saturating nearby steel making it as conductive to the coils magnetic field as air, through spokes, through a shaft that seem more than a foot long and then must compare to the far far stronger fields created by the motor. (the fields in the motor are stronger than the fields in the coil let along after it has conducted all this way)
From simulations with vizimag it would seem to be 1/100th of the strength at the coil at most. (and that was simulating with a permeability of 100,000! and without tiny breaks present in reality which drops conducted flux hugely.)

But wait, I forgot to include the fact that the Neo is probably saturating most/all of the core the the coil is wound on likely making it little more than an air core.

The measured field at the rotor is 25 gauss which is really tiny (some of which is likely to be a remnant magnetic field or a bit of flux leakage from the neos), that's 160th of the strength of a ceramic magnet and far closer to the earth magnetic field, and yet the effect on the motor is the difference between a dead stop (despite the fact that slower speeds have lower loads though admittedly increasingly inefficient use of the motor) and speeding up to the point where it must be stopped for fear of it flying apart if left to accelerate any longer.

And this is in stark contrast to the demo where a Neo stack is brought near the shaft of a motor to exhibit only a very very hint difference in speed (and therefore current)

Also the fact that the effect (well an obviously related effect) was highly non linear as discovered by hoptoad, requiring a low resistance otherwise it slowed it down, that is interesting since assuming the same carries over to Thanes we must ask why the field from the coil would change so much by doubling or trippling the current? (with hoptoads setup it seems plausible that some complex timing might have been at work but that is not possible with Thanes!)
Even more so since the effect appeared almost insensitive to magnetic field strength, showing a huge effect from a single coil and a long shaft with multiple breaks or showing only slightly stronger action from more coils and a far shorter axle with no substantial breaks, that would probably be in reality up to a 100 fold difference in the strength of the magnetic field delivered to the motor i'd guess from simulations.

In short it seems that what is getting into the motor is what I am sure is aether but what others might call torsion/spin fields, orgone/odic, animal magnetism, Zero point Flux/Energy etc... (the same thing discovered many times given different names)

So if you want to believe it's a magnetic field, or 'back-emf' that's fine with me but since I have tons of evidence that the aether is real and is created by generators and can have effects like this all before Thane came along you will understand if I call it aether. (except for polarbreeze who won't understand)

BTW, no comments on my eddy current discovery?

[powerunlimited]

Hi  Thane
Have you ever tried to couple the emf around the brass coupling
this is refering to video 1,2.Now don't get me wrong I think you have something very important,and I'm sure you have
done this type of demo hundreds of times,but a die hard skeptic(theres a few in here Ha Ha) will say you might have done something else  in adding the metal shaft that caused it to accelerate,you disturbed the overall setup.my own experiments show that if you adjust the variac and monitor rpm so its stable as possible I use an optical tach, a magnet near the  bare shaft of the ryobi motor like you use has no effect,an ac magnetic field has no  effect even if it can cause a magnet to vibrate 5 inches away.In your video 1,2 it would have to travel up the spoke along the shaft looks like 2 feet enter the motor change something
magnetic field strength possibly.Theres nothing known that can do this so if you redirect the flow around the brass coupler with no metal shaft inside , mount the bracket on a door hinge ,down coupled up not coupled
that removes more arguments about real ,not real.For this to be real the back emf would have to travel as a pulse , it would have to cause magnetic effects,it would not spread out from the time it traveled from the spoke to the motor or loose strength during its travel.

Have a good one