Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[polarbreeze]

AND THAT WASN'T MY FAULT - YOUR WIFE CALLED ME THIS TIME!

Thane

She was calling you about something else - I told her you were an expert on avoiding paying GST so she was looking for advice on that. How did that work out for you by the way?
PB

[The_Angel]

It normally goes like this:

1. Demonstrate a prototype which, however crudely, provides objectively measurable end-results that show how the device can be used to improve a real end-product. In this case it would mean demonstrating that the device improves the efficiency of a motor. (Or any other real end-result would be fine too provided it has value and provided it can be objectively measured, right now, on the actual prototype.)

OR

2. Put forward a theory of operation that can be properly defended and shows that the creator understands the mechanism/phenomenon/process at work and rigorously describes it in proper scientific/engineering terms. Show experimental results that clearly prove this fundamental mechanism (not necessarily, in this case, the end-result) and also, very importantly, exactly how that mechanism can be incorporated with further development into an actual prototype like #1.

What do you think?

Please everyone here
If you do not find the information posted here to be satisfactory to prove to you what we don't even understand ourself, then I suggest for you come to Ottawa for a demonstration and make your own measurements and conclusions. If you cannot come to Ottawa then please build it for yourself. If you cannot build it for yourself, then wait some time and we will build units that you can buy and see the workings of it for yourself.

Luc

I am attempting to read through this entire thread.  I presume that from the above post that I can freely build this device for personal and research use?

If so, where may I obtain the necessary documentation to build one? 

I have a master electrician and a mechanical engineer on-hand to build your device for testing purposes.  I will personally travel to your lab if/when we replicate the effect that you have demonstrated and obtain satisfactory measurements.


May I please get approved documentation from you to get this device built? 

Thank you,

[JustMe]

Thane has spoken more than once about induction motors having the property of requiring less and less power as they accelerate, so I don't think this is new.

Indeed he has, and he presents it as some kind of mystery that requires an unusual explanation. However, it's no mystery at all: it's absolutely standard behavior for an induction motor, as shown in  http://polk-burnett.apogee.net/pd/dmcs.asp . Hence my statement about "it's just a brake after all" - sorry, it may have sounded dismissive I guess but I simply mean that this issue is now resolved, which is a good step forward.

You continue to imply that either Thane was unaware of this standard behaviour, or has attempted to cloak the standard behaviour illustrated in that link you can't seem to stop posting in mystery.  I call bullshit on both.  Again, Thane stated more than once that induction motors require less and less power as they accelerate as a matter of course. That's all your graph says.  Your graph doesn't cover a motor accelerating from a stabilized RPM, just an uniterrupted normal starting sequence. So not news to anyone who has been following here, except perhaps you. 

We can agree that your "it's just a brake after all" statement was indeed dismissive. I fail to see how it's "now resolved" unless I've missed something, and I don't miss much.  As I understand the various braking hypotheses, Vince's setup and observations in particular leave questions about this wide open and deserving of further analysis.  The people who have bothered to invest time and thought and effort on the ideas presented here one way or another deserve better than you trying to herd them off a cliff.  The fact that you're trying so hard is getting weird.

[bitbeam]

I am attempting to read through this entire thread.  I presume that from the above post that I can freely build this device for personal and research use?

If so, where may I obtain the necessary documentation to build one? 

I have a master electrician and a mechanical engineer on-hand to build your device for testing purposes.  I will personally travel to your lab if/when we replicate the effect that you have demonstrated and obtain satisfactory measurements.


May I please get approved documentation from you to get this device built? 

Thank you,

Hi Angel,

I may be wrong, but from what I can tell, the duplicators so far have done so on their own account, merely by reading the posts and watching Thane's videos. In other words, they made an effort to build first then asked questions if they needed additional help. Since you have a "master electrician" and a "master mechanic" why don't you let them watch the videos and let them loose. 

Or, take Thane up on his invitation to visit him and bring along your electrican and mechanic with you.

Cheers,
Aaron

[The_Angel]

I am attempting to read through this entire thread.  I presume that from the above post that I can freely build this device for personal and research use?

If so, where may I obtain the necessary documentation to build one? 

I have a master electrician and a mechanical engineer on-hand to build your device for testing purposes.  I will personally travel to your lab if/when we replicate the effect that you have demonstrated and obtain satisfactory measurements.


May I please get approved documentation from you to get this device built? 

Thank you,

Hi Angel,

I may be wrong, but from what I can tell, the duplicators so far have done so on their own account, merely by reading the posts and watching Thane's videos. In other words, they made an effort to build first then asked questions if they needed additional help. Since you have a "master electrician" and a "master mechanic" why don't you let them watch the videos and let them loose. 

Or, take Thane up on his invitation to visit him and bring along your electrican and mechanic with you.

Cheers,
Aaron

Fair enough then.  I do not understand what you imply by "master electrician" and a "master mechanic".  What do the quotations mean?  I have a very good friend who is a master electrician and a family member who is a mechanical engineer.