Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[polarbreeze]

I've been puzzling over different ways in which there could be electromagnetic interaction between the motor and the "generator" and now I've come to think that the behavior of the motors/loads in this experiment can be explained completely in terms of a mechanical interaction between the motor and the "generator", NOT electromagnetic, nor "unconventional". This explains why a brass shaft, or an acrylic wheel, can transport the effect as well as steel can.

For an explanation, check out this paper: AC Induction Motor Fundamentals - Rakesh Parekh

In particular, starting on page 9, the section "Load Characteristic", and its figure 12, outlines the way a motor/load combination can be "stable" or "unstable". It's a question of how the torque-speed curve of the motor relates to the torque-speed characteristic of the load.

By changing the torque-speed characteristic of the load (which is what is happening when the coil arrangements/connections are reconfigured), the system can be caused to go unstable, in which case it may either (a) accelerate indefinitely or (b) slow down until it stalls, depending on which way it's perturbed. This is exactly the behavior that has been observed in these experiments so far (see para 6 of that section).

So the good news is that it's not necessary to look for an electromagnetic feedback, which several people on here are finding a questionable theory. Instead, it's sufficient to explore how the different coil arrangements affect the torque-speed characteristic of the "generator", which is what is placing the mechanical load on the motor (ie acting as a magnetic brake)Ã,  - and then apply conventional theory to that.

PB

[vince]

I don't want to get off topic here but I was taking some transformers apart for a different experiment when I thought it might be possible to get a rectangular configuration of Thane's toroid transformer to behave in a similar manner. I cut down several similar transformer and welded them together so that the outer legs have secondary coils on them and the center was left open to try different primaries. You can look at the construction in the link below. I was trying to see if I could get the thing to operate on one of Thanes goals; that is, not drawing additional current on the primary when the load is applied. I have been trying several different primaries with an air gap and many different cross sections and sizes. 

So far I have noticed that with all the coils the configuration works great as a regular transformer. I found that if you load only one of the secondary coils there is no extra draw on the primary, but  if you load both sides the current increases with the load just like a regular transformer. 

Thane or Luc

I'm not sure how you wired your two secondaries together but I would appreciate any comments you may have.

http://picasaweb.google.com/vincemormile/Transformer02/photo?authkey=zxCjMbm16To#5183750246070079682

Thanks
Vince

[OilBarren]

So far I have noticed that with all the coils the configuration works great as a regular transformer. I found that if you load only one of the secondary coils there is no extra draw on the primary, but  if you load both sides the current increases with the load just like a regular transformer. 
Thane or Luc

I'm not sure how you wired your two secondaries together but I would appreciate any comments you may have.

http://picasaweb.google.com/vincemormile/Transformer02/photo?authkey=zxCjMbm16To#5183750246070079682

Thanks
Vince

INDEED BOTH SECONDARIES MUST BE LOADED.

I WON'T BE DISCUSSING HOW THE SECONDARIES ARE CONFIGURED UNTIL PATENTING ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED - ALTHOUGH SOMEONE COULD FIGURE IT OUT IF THEY TRIED SINCE THERE ARE 4 x 1000 TURNS ON EACH SECONDARY AND LUC IS USING 700 STRAND LITZ WIRE IN THE PRIMARY - WHICH HE HAS BEEN MAKING BY HAND FOR THE LAST TWO DAYS.

WE HOPE TO HAVE SOME RESULTS TO POST SOON.

Thane

[OilBarren]

So the good news is that it's not necessary to look for an electromagnetic feedback, which several people on here are finding a questionable theory. Instead, it's sufficient to explore how the different coil arrangements affect the torque-speed characteristic of the "generator", which is what is placing the mechanical load on the motor (ie acting as a magnetic brake)  - and then apply conventional theory to that.

PB

APPLY CONVENTIONAL THEORY IF YOU HAVE TIME TO WASTE.
APPLY UN-CONVENTIONAL THEORY IF YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO.
APPLY ALL THE "THEORY" IN THE WORLD AND LEARN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
(EXCEPT HOW BIG YOUR EGO IS)

OR

BUILD A UNIT YOURSELF AND LEARN WHILE OTHERS TALK

Thane

[polarbreeze]

BUILD A UNIT YOURSELF AND LEARN WHILE OTHERS TALK

Thane

Building is good; but I think that learning also requires the interpretation of the results.

PB