Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[hoptoad]

You are mostly correct, hoptoad, but a normal generator is properly designed to be a good generator.  Thane's coils are not designed to be a good generator.  A good generator will be designed to have few no-load losses and maximum power output, whereas Thane's generator is designed to have a lot of no-load losses and zero power output.

No disagreement there. Well only partially! A Normal generator is properly designed to be a good generator utilising a closed magnetic system.
Flux leakage in open magnetic systems, is presented as one of the main reasons why efficient systems are generally closed ones.

It's erroneous to assume however, because each system has its plus and minus characteristics. In an open system, there is magnetic potential leakage into the environment. But this is offset by the characteristic phase changing of counter MMF during nominal and excess loading, which reduces the impact of breaking associated with Lenz's law.

Whilst you can theoretically produce a greater voltage and current capability in any given reference coil, than in an open system, the price paid by counter mmf when current is drawn in a closed sytem, is very high. The greater the current output of the generator, the greater the degree of / actual breaking it produces.

In an open system, a short circuit on the o/p may slow the driver, but nowhere near the magnitude as that of a conventional generator, which will break so harshly, that it may stall the driver motor.

In an open system experiment, place incremental loads on the coils, and you will see that the breaking effect is greater when with loads are less than nominal, and  decreases as the load approaches and passes nominal loading through to short circuit. With low impedance coils, at very high speeds, a short circuit will present almost the same loading on the driver motor as an open circuit. At all times, actual breaking for a given power output will be less in an open system.

Only by comparing (literally side by side) the breaking and power output of both (well designed) systems, does it become evident that a closed system is not necessarily the most efficient one.

P.S. Remember, I've always only been talking about a completely open magnetic generating system.

Thane, if you're magnets are inserted into metal cups then you have a semi closed system, because you are redirecting the flux from the rear of the magnet up to the circumference edge of the magnet pole facing the coils. Penetration of the flux from the open magnet pole end to the coil core will be shallow, as it follows the easiest path through the face of the coil core to the opposite pole at the external cup around its circumference.

This is one possibillity why you haven't seen similar results to mine. And perhaps part of the reason your results have been intruiging. No doubt there may be other differing parameters as well. I've already posted links on this thread to my previous experiments twice. So no need to again. I acknowledge that, whilst I believe you are dealing with the same effect as that which I have previously studied, there is still a possibility that it is not the same, or , if it is the same, it's manifestation is different due to any number of variations between our system parameters.

P.P.S Thane If you saw my legs, you might lose your appetite! ........ KneeDeep ....... But just to be sure I might move to Switzerland. They've been neutral for centuries I believe. 

[AbbaRue]

I was trying to find some Iron welding rods for core material, but the rods don't tell you on the box what metal they are.
Only what type of metal they are meant to weld. So how does one know your getting iron rods and not steal, or some other alloy.
Could you give me some rod numbers to go by?
They use 4 digit numbers for the rods.
The following site shows an example of what I'm talking about.
http://www.weldingmaterialsales.com/products.htm

Perhaps someone could tell me which of these numbers would be the right type of rod.

[vibrovirii]

PS- Vibrovirii you're a hoot!

Just woke up time to make some coils and pick up an oscilloscope from my dad's work.
Which hoot do you mean? I do all of em though 
Urban dictionary:
1. Hoot 
another word for being sorry, dumb, stupid
"damn blood you hoot'

2. Hoot
A good time.
We had a hoot at the Monster Truck Rally.

3. Hoot
a toke of the marijuana smoke
Hoot this bowl.


Peace, B

[helmut]

I have my fun and will stay on this thread.
thanks   you made me a nice day
helmut

Helmut, wie geht's. What city do you live in? I'm in Frankfurt all this week at an interior design show. Let me know if you live near here and maybe I'll let you buy me a drink. We can perhaps plot countermeasures for the carp attack - I could use some help.
PB

@polarbreeze
As you can see in my Profile I am living in Duisburg,what is about 250 Kilometer in the North of Frankfurt.
I am afraid,that i am not able to help you out.Because i have no idea about a Carp attac,and many other things to.
The Fishes,that i try to catch,life near the Netherlands and like worms.
If you are near my Area i like to meet you one day.And of corse you will not stay thursty ,
ill prepare you a drink.Dont worry about that.
But i still wonder,how some adulds behave like boys during there adolescenze.
Why you guys are not just compare and test out your mesurement results as dry facts.

It is up to you to PN me your telephone number or skype ID and we can talk
about the matter.But dont expect to much.

helmut

[OilBarren]

@polarbreeze
As you can see in my Profile I am living in Duisburg,what is about 250 Kilometer in the North of Frankfurt.
I am afraid,that i am not able to help you out.Because i have no idea about a Carp attac,and many other things to.
The Fishes,that i try to catch,life near the Netherlands and like worms.
If you are near my Area i like to meet you one day.And of corse you will not stay thursty ,
ill prepare you a drink.Dont worry about that.
But i still wonder,how some adulds behave like boys during there adolescenze.
Why you guys are not just compare and test out your mesurement results as dry facts.

It is up to you to PN me your telephone number or skype ID and we can talk
about the matter.But dont expect to much.

helmut