Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[markzpeiverson]

[duplicate post deleted... sorry 'bout that.]
-MI

[OUman]

You have misunderstood the Uncertainty Principle. The probabilistic nature of QM is NOT to do with the ability/inability of instruments to measure accurately enough. It is much more fundamental than that. Google the subject and you'll find the proper interpretation.

...Care to explain how we are able to measure and distinguish elements which are on the order of the Planck length (10^--34m)? 

-M

Where did you read that? Doesn't make sense to me.

[aether22]

@aether, I thought that the difference between steel nd brass and also PVC was abandoned now -see below. If I understand corrrectly the whoel idea of "something" feeding abck into the motor down the shaft has been abandoned and instead its concentrating on different coils on the generator. So the basic theory of operation seems to ahve changed completely. Id' appreciate someone posting anupdate of where thats at...?
- Mike

Not at all, though it is possible Thane may be unsure the experiments speak very clearly for themselves.
I have just 'proven' the effect can not work at all, does my failed attempt do a thing to disprove the other experiments that show an effect, not in the least. (except for in the minds of the most f'd up skeptics possibly)

The experiments Thane mentions discounts simple magnetic flux getting into the motor, but it is fully in line with how the aether acts.

Vince even showed that the motors output IS increasing.

Thane has simply demonstrated that a single coil may be constructed which is sufficient to direct aether down a reasonably continuous path which would be insufficient to conduct flux down a discontinuous path.
But that a whole compliment of coils can increase the aetheric pressure to direct aether through a non ferrous rotor and or PVC shaft. (This agrees well with the likes of Boyd Bushman's magnet-aetheric beamer)

How else can you explain 1 coil being sufficient for the effect when connected by steel, and 8 being required if not connected by steel?

i respect Thane enough to not attack his opinions but that does not mean I agree with them or that he has a monopoly on reason, truth, understanding etc...

>IS a ferromagnetic material required or not (the PVC would indicate "not")?  So, what about the brass ...?       

A continuous and possibly ferrous path is required if the pressure is low, that has been proven and no other experiment or logic can account for any other answer.
No such path is required if the pressure is higher, that is also definitively proven, as is simultaneously is the previous point as the effect no longer worked with a single coil.

I BELIEVE THAT THE BRASS COUPLING EXPERIMENT WHEN "MAGNETICLLY COUPLED" WITH THE STEEL BAR - RAISED THE INDUCTION MOTOR SPEED TO ABOVE THE CRITICAL THRESHOLD SPEED REQUIRED TO CAUSE ACCELERATION.

Why was the speed higher with the steel bar in there in the first place?
Because the coils create some aetheric effect even when not shorted and that was then conducted through to the motor.
Higher speed could increase the effect and make it so that the aether has a high enough pressure to bridge the gap, but personally I doubt that if Thane increased the power to the motor so it reached the same speed without the bar as with that shorting the coils would cause acceleration as we see in the other test. But I doubt Thane is going to go back and retest that. (If not, Thane would you mind sending me that big old coil you used? )

ORIGINAL YOUTUBE DEMO VIDEOS BEAR THIS OUT BECAUSE PART 2 IS ROTATING FASTER THAN PART 1 (READ THE "TACH METER" TO THE RIGHT) WHEN THE STEEL BAR IS INSERTED. WE KNOW FROM PART 5 THAT AN EXTERNALLY APPLIED DC MAGNETIC FIELD CAN INCREASE AN INDUCTION MOTOR'S RPM.

I'd qualify that with 'to an incredibly small level if it has been taken apart and is idling when a powerful neo magnet is brought close by', that is so far from what is present in the test it doesn't hold much water.
It has already been shown that a normal bench grinder is not effected by a magnetic field by another experimenter and my own quick tests, The bench grinder must be pulled apart as in Thanes demo, even then the effect is too weak (to small a change in rpm) and the applied field far to strong to compare.

quote:
"Since you still have the hollow brass coupling available on the original system, why not make up a RANGE of "slugs" which would fit inside that brass tube, and experiment with a variety of OTHER materials -- from other metals, to plastics ... and even various powders ... mercury, sodium ... etc. -- in an effort to see what IS "conducted" into the motor from the coils/magnets ...?"

WE CAN GET THE ACCELERATION EFFECT WITH A PLEXIGLASS ROTOR - AND A MOTOR THAT IS 21/2 FEET AWAY FROM THE COILS USING PVC PIPE AS WELL AS NON FEROMAGNETIC STAINLESS STEAL ROD. THAT IS SIMPLY ENOUGH FOR ME.

But ONLY when you use a full set of stator coils!
When you ue one the effect vanishes, which is odd since one can work really well when connected to the motor.

THE HOLLOW BRASS COUPLER IS NOW A MUSEUM PIECE.

Thane

That's Thanes opinion, not mine.
Thanes answer is in MY opinion incomplete but I will let the experiments convince Thane rather than argue with him.



Addition: If I agreed with Thane about nothing of consequence being conducted down the shaft then the device could indeed be showing nothing more than a reduction of eddy and hysteresis breaking.
A shorted coil will act to oppose and changes in flux in the core and it will reduce the core losses and if by any chance the coil losses are less than the reduction of core losses then you have shorted a coil which reduced breaking, I would add that this is BELIEVED to be possible and observed reasonably commonly (though it may be Thanes effect at play unknowingly), and  hence I could not say for sure under such a circumstance that there would need be anything extraordinary about Thanes device.

However it has been proven that something significant is conducted through to the shaft and having a significant impact.

[LarryC]

@aether22,

Tried your light bulb request and the motor wouldn't run at all with 100W bulb and barely ran with a 60W bulb. May need a bulb around 10W to get decent results.


My wobble was similar on my rotor. The rotor center shaft was a little longer than the motor shaft. I cut the wobble to less than half by building up the motor shaft with tape after the drop off before the threading. Thus given it a full length support. Don't know if you have the same problem.


My Triac fan controller was purchased at Lowe's for about $9.00.


Removed the 1 X 1/4" neos on back of the cupped 1/8" neos and just used the cupped 1" X 1/8" neos.
Added a second coil with 20 Ohms.
I was able to get the acceleration effect at a lower RPM of 400 instead of 700 with the larger magnets.
The HC shorted along, reduced the speed rapidly, but still slowly reduced the speed with the HV coil also shorted.

Good Luck,
Larry

[aether22]

@aether22,

Tried your light bulb request and the motor wouldn't run at all with 100W bulb and barely ran with a 60W bulb. May need a bulb around 10W to get decent results.

Interesting, clearly the Triac is not just turning the power on and of but also somehow reducing the available current???
Of course the bulb is just there to tell you how much power the triac is delivering so a 10 or even 2 watt bulb would do just fine.

My wobble was similar on my rotor. The rotor center shaft was a little longer than the motor shaft. I cut the wobble to less than half by building up the motor shaft with tape after the drop off before the threading. Thus given it a full length support. Don't know if you have the same problem.

No, my shaft is long enough (is it just me or does that sound dirty?) but the wheel has imperfections.
Still IF my Tachometer is accurate I have had it up to 1800rpm, though I would not want to take it any higher.
Still no apparent effect from shorting the coils.

My Triac fan controller was purchased at Lowe's for about $9.00.


Removed the 1 X 1/4" neos on back of the cupped 1/8" neos and just used the cupped 1" X 1/8" neos.

Was it you that used JB weld? if so how did you remove 'em?

Added a second coil with 20 Ohms.

In series or parallel?

I was able to get the acceleration effect at a lower RPM of 400 instead of 700 with the larger magnets.

Did it still get 'stuck' at the higher speed when you go OC?