Thane Heins Perepiteia.

[CRANKYpants]

It may be the coil.
it may be the motor.
It may be the input to the motor.
It may be the location or me (which doesn't bare thinking about).

PERHAPS YOU AIN'T GOT NO AETHER DOWN THERE?
PERHAPS CANADA HAS IT ALL CAUSE WERE SO GOOD AT HOCKEY?

Thane

[CRANKYpants]

Seriously though i do think that to get anywhere with this effect we need to know how it comes about.

NOPE I DISAGREE CAUSE I'M CRANKYpants AND ERECTIONLESS.
JM EXPECT SOME PHOTOS IN THE AM.

CHEERS
Thane

[Nali2001]

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[aether22]

Test 1 with the MOT's is not so hot.

It was a quick and dirty test where I was shorting manually but got nothing.

The multimeter read 180hz when measuring the frequency at the rim, with 6 rotor magnets (previous tests had 18 but the MOT's suit a 6 magnet rotor) that's 3600rpm. (magnets multiply the number by 3 not 6 because, well it's complex but because I said so)

3600 rpm should be the absolute max speed for this so I'm not quite sure I trust it (it didn't seem that fast), but if I do maybe it didn't accelerate by being at almost sych speed already.

Next I'll try it with a little less power (still had to spin it to get it turning and it took over a minute to reach full speed) and with switches.

Oh, and the above test was carried out with the HC coils individually shorted until the end where I unshorted then but changing them from SC to OC made no impact.

So I am thinking it might be the motor.

I was only one able to get a slowdown with a shorted coil and that was (some time ago) when running the motor through the transformer AND the light dimmer which got some effect but still very little. (and the motor was so under powered it would not accelerate on it's own, I had to spin it by hand the the power would stop it from slowing down noticeably except when the coil was shorted which would cause a slow deceleration.

The thing is, IF it is the motor then it is likely to be the voltage and freq it is wired for that is the issue.

I have a Thane certified Rotor, if I get a Thane certified coil then the only thing really left to be wrong would be the motor.

So I'll swap the light dimmer for a transformer (and possibly also light dimmer) and put in switches and report back, I'll also try and run 2 different calibrated methods of determining rpm.

[hoptoad]

@Thane

DEAR HOPTOAD,
I KNOW YOU ARE A KEEN TEACHER - SO I WOULD ASK YOU RESPECTFULLY TO STOP INFERRING THAT THERE IS "NO USEFUL OUTPUT."

I am not a teacher, professionally or otherwise, unless of course someone learns something from me. 
Yes I'm keen to see this effect optimised.
I'll qualify my statement that you object to by changing it to "not much useful electrical output".

14.9 watts electrical O/P is hardly something to crow about, if it takes 145 watts to maintain it.
Induction motors are not renowned for high efficiency, but they are still reasonably efficient at rated speed and loading, so that leaves in question the efficiency of the generator, and its contribution as part of the whole system efficiency.

Your own figures show a max total system electrical transfer of only 10.3% efficiency. I know you can do much better that.!  And no doubt, you know you can too.

IT HAS NO EFFECT ON ME AS I KNOW IT TO BE INCORRECT BUT YOU MAY NEGATIVELY INFLUENCE ANOTHER READER - WHICH WOULD PUT YOU IN PB, OUmon TERRITORY.

I'm in Ozzie territory. Readers will  make up their own minds whether something is negative or not, or erroneous or not etc ...

WHEN PROPERLY MATCHED THE HV COIL CAN COMPLETELY ELIMINATE THE HC LENZ EFFECT AND PRODUCE  ANY AMOUNT OF OUTPUT POWER DESIRED.

Please accept my advance order for a 60kWatt unit now!

IT APPEARS THAT YOU HAVE SOME PERSONAL INVESTMENT IN THIS THREAD WHICH SEEMS TO CLOUD YOUR OBJECTIVITY - AND MAKES YOUR POST RATHER COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.

Of course I have a personal investment in seeing better technology for the future. Everybody does. As for objectivity, and whether my posts are counterproductive, you're entitled to your thoughts and opinions.

SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU TAKE ULI UP ON HIS OFFER AND GO AND ASSIST HIM AND DO SOMETHING REAL -

Your suggestion is duly noted.  I've done something real already. My postings and opinions have not originated from a vacuum, nor are they based on pure theory. Like you, I've already spent a great deal of time, money and energy experimenting with real generating systems. And like you, I have made numerous observations, and come to my own conclusions. They may or may not be correct.

HAVE YOU CONSIDERED HIS OFFER AND IF NOT WHY?

Yes

- AGAIN STARTING TO SOUND PBish. TALK IS CHEAP!

Tell that to a lawyer.

ALSO WHY NOT BUILD ONE OF THESE DEVICES AND CONTRIBUTE IN THAT WAY

Just because my models were built years ago, and are not currently available to be shown in a video or photo is a non issue. I have given very simple straight forward, easy to follow specifications, detailing core material, type, coil winding numbers, gauge, rotor type and construction etc ad nauseum.

Anybody who wanted to see for themselves whether my model worked in the way I claimed or not, can easily, without any ambiguity, repeat the model construction and experiment shown. And they can do it with all new materials on a budget of less than $100.

- YOU CAN SEE HOW BADLY AETHER IS F_CKING UP BUT HE IS STILL CONTRIBUTING LOTS OF USEFUL STUFF. I_RON AND LARRY'S POSTS ARE ALSO TANGIBLE AND CREDIBLE BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING THIS - NOT SOMETHING SAME ONLY DIFFERENT.

Is information only a positive contribution if it is derived from current physical models only ?

What about Nali2001? His model was constructed before he posted to this forum. And he showed video and photos. When he gave his honest opinion on what he thought caused the effect and released more detailed information about his setup, you resorted to personal attack by calling him a scumbag. Why?

The fact that he achieved acceleration using a non short circuit load with low impedance coils (in parallel), which also exhibited a reasonably useful level of electrical O/P from the same coils, (not separate coils), at the same time, should be cause for encouragement to him and anybody else wishing to build for themselves. Even if you don't agree with his prognosis of the effect and his conclusions.

Cheers all