Peter Davey Heater

[ggx9]

storre posted the first of this subject on February 9, 2008. If you download the attachment of 48 pages you will find the Davey article on pages 20 and 21 of the 48 pages. At the end of the article it says only the inner bell needs to be tuned to the mains frequency of 50 HZ. The drawing in the article shows the two bells of different diameters so as to create equal separation across their radii and text stating the same requirement. The spacing is stated as 3mm (about 1/8"), though a fine adjustment is needed for "tuning". There is also reference to "resonating of the cavity between the two hemispheres". Near the end of the article there is a photo showing the device next to a coin. Unfortunately there is a third bell showing so as to confuse the issue. I don't know what this third bell is for, but I would guess that it is part of the mounting hardware. I printed out these two pages as I consider it essential reference for this project.

Richard

[forest]

May I ask what would happen at resonance with inner bell ? I assume that this bell will start to oscillate mechanically (?) electrically (?), not sure how but IMHO with much higher frequency. Do you have such feeling too ? If so it may be related to Stanley Meyer device except here is AC used and no electrolysis , just heating by water molecules vibration and collisions forced by high frequency current or oscillation.

[Paul-R]

storre posted the first of this subject on February 9, 2008. If you download the attachment of 48 pages you will find the Davey article on pages 20 and 21 of the 48 pages. At the end of the article it says only the inner bell needs to be tuned to the mains frequency of 50 HZ.

On page 20/48 of this document, it says:
"The device comprises a hemispherical resonant cavity, formed from two metallic dome shapes, both of
which resonate at 50Hz...."

As for the gap being parallel, this is all very fine, but very difficult to achieve. I suspect tha, int any first device,
it would be best to use two identical bells - if only to get up and running.

In theory, if the gap is x mm, then the outer bell should have a radius x mm larger. But how are we to
obtain a range of bells with such tolerances?

It has been suggested that we work with software sine generators because attempting to tune a bell
to a signal from the mains four octaves different is extremely hard. I had a go with one, and it's error
at 50hz (compared to mains) was 1hz; the error at 440hz (compared to a quality tuning fork) was 3hz.
This idea may well work. Aiming to tune the bell to 800, this means tuning to the software corrected
by about 5hz.
Paul.

[DOCV]

I have a full report of my test results over the past 4 months. I personally think that this heater is nothing special. perhaps this will help others to prove me wrong.
Unfortunately this forum does not allow attachments over 100kb, so go to the Davey section on the energeticforum at http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/1414-daveys-water-heater-3.html Post no. 76

[greendoor]

I've been sitting on some ideas, but I may as well donate them to the party ... it will be interesting to see the spooks rip them apart ...

There is a simple way to avoid the whole tuning issue: feedback assisted sustain.  Think Jimi Hendrix (if you're old enough to remember).  Peter Davies is a violin player, and tuning comes naturally to musicians, but it can be a bit of a foreign concept to non-musicians.  But if we modify the design and use feedback, tuning becomes unnecessary.  It's the same principle as those feedback squeals you get when a microphone is pointed at PA speakers - any sound from the speakers gets picked up by the microphone and amplified.  The resonant nodes of the room will get more of a boost than other frequencies, therefore particular frequencies grow into feedback squeals first.  Guitar players can induce feedback by point their pickups at their amp speakers.

You could have a bell of any resonant frequency, and if you fitted transducers (e.g. coils) and a power amp you could get this into resonance very easily with no tuning required. 

I've been studying Kanarev (http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/Kanarev/index.html), and I believe he might have the explanation for the overunity in this device.  He states that if molecule bonds are mechanically broken, rather than thermally broken, they liberate twice as much energy - and that the extra energy comes from the vacuum.  (That's an extremely crude paraphrase by me, so don't judge him by that comment - this guy deserves serious study).  He also explains why pulsing electricity is important to free energy - and has some good experiments on heating water and liberating hydrogen with low amps - all good stuff related to this subject.

I suspect the Peter Davies device accidentally stumbled on one or more principles of heating water - and identifying the actual overunity aspect might not be so obvious - especially with the high current draw.  But i'm thinking that the mechanical breaking of water bonds from acoustic pressure waves might be the key - think sonoluminesence and cavitation effects.  Having one tuned, vibrating bell cupped inside a larger static bell would give a could compression/cavitation surface area to rip the water apart.  The 240V is probably just a brute force diversion that may not be that necessary to the process, other than it is was an easy way in the 1940's to make this happen.

It would be very interesting to get a feedback-assisted bell, with a low-wattage amp (as a guitar player, I have a little Fender 9V plastic toy amp that gives great feedback sustain with an ordinary electric guitar - and that's with just air coupling between a tiny speaker and a thin string ... with a direct mechanical link, it could really make a tuned piece of steel howl). 

The beauty of feedback is that it naturally boosts whatever resonance already exists, and compounds it.  Things could get scary out of control, like Tesla.  Even those Mythbuster clowns got some interesting resonance effects with a steel beam, and they weren't even trying to tune anything.  (In fact, I suspect they had an agenda to divert attention away from this subject). 

If you play a bass guitar in a house, you can find some notes that could do damage to your house if you allowed feedback to sustain those notes ... there is awesome energy in resonance.  So if we could use this to tear water molecule bonds apart, and if zero-point energy is involved, as Kanarev suggests, there could be some very interesting energy results.