Fully baked idea! FE transformer

[aether22]

I had this idea a very very long time ago, it was before anyone really had the internet, the early 90's some time when my interest in Free Energy was new.

I eventually discounted it but while writing a post in Thane's toroid transformer thread where I was trying to verify what I felt was true, that a tighter coil creates a stronger field was indeed correct.

It reminded me of my idea and made me realize that actually it would work, or should.

If you have a hoop coil of say 100 turns with a 2 cm diameter and pass through 10 amps (ok, a bit much for such a small coil but anyway) you will get a field of  678 gauss.

If you have a hoop coil of say 100 turns with a 20 cm diameter and pass through 10 amps you will get a field of 57 gauss. (that approx 1/6th the gauss of the tighter coil)

The interesting thing is if you have both coils threaded on a magnetic core with a changing flux both coils will get the same voltage induced per turn. (provided none of the flux's return path is inside of the outer coil)

So what would happen if we had a large toroid transformer core and on one side wound (for now) a pretty normal primary coil.
And on the other side we have one core hugging coil and another coil around that with double the number of turns and x10 the diameter. (so if the inner secondary had 50v rms the outer would show 100v rms)

If we now put these in anti-series so that their induced voltages cancel we are left with just half the induce voltage of our outer coil or 50v.
But the magnetic field in the core would be that of the tighter coil, but the current direction through that coil is decided by our outer coil!

What would (should) happen is that pulling more current through the secondary would increase the primary field in the core (because normally a secondary is at 180 degrees phase relationship but here it would be 0 degrees) increasing further the induction into the secondary and also decreasing the current through the primary! (by in effect increasing the primaries self induction just like the steel does)

In fact you could maybe do away with the primary and just power this compound secondary coil, it seemingly should act as a negative inductor giving free energy. (the only problem with that theory is that the outer coil will have a greater self inductance, the inner coil having an air core inductance of 281 microhenries and the outer one having an inductance of 8,288 microhenries, However as the inner coil has it's field amplified by the core it's wound on and the outer coil won't do to anything like the same extent.)

So while I wouldn't recommend making the negative inductor version it does seem it should make a good OU transformer.

Furthermore it should work the other way round, use the secondary as the primary and the primary as the secondary.
It would mean that at you pull power from the secondary it should seemingly give the primary energy.

Another thought I find very favorable is if the input is enough to actually worry about (not far far less than the output) then obtain a capacitor which is matched to the primaries inductance under load (slightly annoying I admit) to be resonant to the input frequency (or maybe just change the input frequency to match the cap?) so you have a tank circuit.

A tank circuit might decrease energy loss in the primary hugely since just because a coil needs current to generate a field does not mean that it need use up any energy.


For the record I think Thanes toroid idea is probably better if it works as expected, but if it is a source of potential only and falls apart when current is drawn as some things seem to be saying then this is a pretty decent and reasonably straight forward alternative.

Oh, and before anyone asks, novelty sized oval transformer core not required

[aether22]

More practical diagram.

Update: Added at top view of rewind. (with red coil accidentally somewhat larger)

Also note that if the red coil had the same number of turns as the black then it could be used as a primary which is oblivious to the core flux (not see the secondary) based on the size pictured the black coil's presence in the core would be 6 times greater than the red's.

However if used as a secondary where it would have 2 times more turns it would have 1/3rd the strength of the black coil.

[aether22]

I feel lonely ;)  talking to myself...

Anyway the final variation would be to have one core hugging coil and another larger coil of the same number of turns in reverse series on the same outer leg (not center bar preferably) of a transformer as the primary.

This would still create a magnetic field in the core but the compound primary coil would be immune to anything going on in the core since it would induce equally and oppositly in each coil.

So a normal secondary (or better yet a compound one) would not load or effect the primary in any way.

Also worth noting that not only could normal transformers be rewound to get these effects but may even be usable without rewinding, just connecting coils in various configs. (must be a multi tap transformer pri/sec though)


Edit: One final thing, it is plausible that by having the primary wound in such a way but having a few extra turns of wire on the outer section it could become self powering if in a tank circuit with a cap, I don't know. (this is then getting back to the negative induction subject again)

Edit2: It is worth noting that for a first test the best version to build is probably one with a compound primary and a simple secondary, it should give rather straight forward answers, mainly which one rules the steel core and if indeed the secondary being shorted/open circuit makes and difference to the primary current.

[pese]

You are not "lonely"!
You have certainly a crowd of readers,
Waiting to  you as teacher.
Pese

[pese]

Anyway the final variation would be to have one core hugging coil and another larger coil of the same number of turns in reverse series on the same outer leg (not center bar preferably) of a transformer as the primary.

This would still create a magnetic field in the core but the compound primary coil would be immune to anything going on in the core since it would induce equally and oppositly in each coil.

So a normal secondary (or better yet a compound one) would not load or effect the primary in any way.

Are there differences, while winding sense? CCW / CW?
Have  Sec-1 and Sec-2 Windings same sense?
Is there a difference if wrapped differently?

That the 2 coil with the AC phase be observed, is a different matter
Pese