Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

[Omnibus]

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[sm0ky2]

On the contrary, you are the one to get help with your issues because they clutter a thread devoted to overunity and not to trivialities such as efficient bearings. If you want that to be the issue go somewhere else to discuss it.

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@ Omni
are you ^%#*($(*ing serious??  Why do you even hover over this thread and whine and cry about other peoples experiments? - i give you credit, you seem to have at least ATTEMPTED this one, though im not sure you actually suceeded.

Let me ask you this::  IF our system is overunity by 6%

but our losses due to friction are 7.5%  - how will we know that ths system is overunity???
Do you think that lowering the losses in the system would be a "waste of time" given that situation??
anyways.......


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-- i have discovered (thanks to the help of my super-sized neo-octahedral) that the chaotic-factor occurs when the wings are placed perpendicular to the upper pyramid bars. Balls dont seem to work well, it favors a rectangular shape, something not strongly magnetic - either non-magnetized metal, or rubber-magnets.

[Omnibus]

No, lowering the losses will be quite desirable if there is OU. However, lowering the losses shouldn't be an end in itself because if there's no possibility in principle for OU no lowering of losses will make any sense with regard to the discussion at hand.

In the current case I don't think it's the losses that prevent us from achieving a working pmm. The problems here are the same as in any other attempt and I don't see the current pursuit to be closer to the goal than any other so far.

As far as I can see the main problem is that many of us are continuing to bump their heads into something which has already been well understood--it isn't possible to build a working pmm based on the interaction of a magnet with a steady-state magnetic field, no matter how complicated that field might be due to the coupling of component stationary magnetic fields. In order for a pmm to work there must be an independent conservative field, uncoupled with the field in question, which would assist the travel of the rotor along part of the closed loop in that first field. How this can be accomplished for the purposes of buiding a pmm is still unclear but that has to be the direction to go. Again, a pmm based on one stationary (time invariant) magnetic field is impossible and trying to build a working pmm with that in mind is a pure waste of time.

[Yadaraf]

@smOky2,

I have to be perfectly clear with you, if we can't make this to self-start and to sustain a non-decelerating run it is absolutely trivial and of no interest whatsoever. There's nothing "interesting" about it at all if it's just an efficient bearing.

your individual opinions of what IS or ISN'T "interesting" are interfering with the common goal of this forum.
i don't understand why you attempt to steer people away from experimenting with new ideas....
please cease and desist.

a frictionless bearing is quite relevant to EVERYTHING we do. If you can't see that, then you are truly in the wrong place.

sm0ky2,

You are absolutely correct that the reduced friction artifact may bear fruit elsewhere.

For example, I don't have a machine shop and I don't want to spend $$$$ having someone build a WhipMag-like rotor for me.  Using CLaNZeR's method, a couple of us are now constructing both rotors and stators using the reduced friction method.  This provides a very inexpensive setup for many investigators, and hopefully one of them will "stumble" into something new.  For many of us, this devices help us rediscover the joy of learning.  CLaNZeR, for example, is a star pupil and we could use more like him.  His videos are educational

Also, the requirement of "self-starting" is completely bogus for OU, as any grade schooler knows.

Cheers

Yada..
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[supersam]

@all, actual, "experimenters",

has anyone, tried dropping the equatorial balls through a horizontally gapped tri-force magnet array, just past the repulsion zone?  i am wondering if the acceleration provided by the tri-force might just make it perpetual?

lol
sam