Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

[Omnibus]

MMM this is a bummer

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=jQbuFaeNWdc

Like I said, it's a complete waste of time to go along this route (cf., for instance, http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3871.msg78029.html#msg78029)  . It is already well understood why it won't work. I don't think it's wise to bump our heads into the same dead end over and over again.

[couldbe]

From point A - the roller rolls down the ramp, into the gate entrance, and transverses the gate at approx. 24.3-degree incline, for a distance X. Where X is greater than or equal to the height of Point A, + the extra height needed to return the roller from point B (gate exit) to Point A, down a secondary ramp.

That sounds like the one thing the gates should be able to do that doesn't involve needing to overcome repulsion, yet you would get work done - OU.

I think clanzer is going to try it this weekend.

[Craigy]

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=QPpvsM5tuQ

My effort , but i am not convinced at all..

[Omnibus]

@Craigy,

It is well understood already that ideas such as this won't work. It's a waste of time to pursue that avenue. There must be another, independent field, properly superimposed, lacking here, for this device to work. Never forget what the principle of action of the Johannes Taisnierius device (contemporary SMOT, that is) is. Recall that if there were no gravitational field properly superimposed there, the ball wouldn't be able to restore its initial position. Like I've already explained, in a device such as yours, when the whole ring of stations is assembled, there will be a set of potential hills and troughs formed due to the cooperative action of all the magnets of the ring. When you start the ball at the top of such hill, due to losses it will not have enough energy when at the follow-up trough to even climb the next hill, let alone overcome it, and the rotor will wiggle back and forth until coming to a stop at the trough. The only thing that can be achieved is if one of the hills is higher than the rest, as it usually happens in a practical experiment, to have the rotor start from there and have it overcome a couple of follow-up lower hills. This is seen in Butch LaFonte's video, for instance. As you understand, that's no achievement at all. Therefore, in order for such motor to work conditions have to be sought to have an additional, independent field assist the main field by proper overlaying of that assisting field.

There's another concept that can be at play--to have the device change the field from within during its action. This is the underlying concept in Torbay motor, Lego motor and @alsetalokin's motor among others. This doesn't seem to be the case in the device you're exploring right now (the tri-gate device).

[CLaNZeR]

Couple of vids while waiting for magnet kit to arrive.

Slope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP46aoVkOUQ

Curve
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPnMkGbJbnw

Hi Res version available on forums at http://www.overunity.org.uk

Cheers

Sean.