Tri-Force Magnets - Finally shown to be OU?

[sm0ky2]

@OMNI - Can you send me a schematic of your alleged "OU" SMOT device, so that i can replicate it.??

        please?





@ Buggy ---  what ive discovered about the wings, they are no more than an entension of magnetic force.
you may as well be poking at it with a stick..
what i sspect here, is whatever ammount of energy is put into 'adjusting' the wings, is converted magnetically into kenetic energy on the rotational part of the device.

the geomagnetic structure doesnt seem to matter, having like poles joining the spheres like that creates a low-friction junction, so it spins with very little energy input. on the same note, theres very little energy output if you stop the device.

i've got one here with paper wings it spins on the A/C flow inside the house, it spins as long as theres a litle bit of air flowing around the house.

thats about the most use i could find from it. unless we have a driving source, just hang it from something as a decoration... geomagnetic art... thats actually the intention of these toys we play with

[buggyirk]

@OMNI - Can you send me a schematic of your alleged "OU" SMOT device, so that i can replicate it.??

        please?





@ Buggy ---  what ive discovered about the wings, they are no more than an entension of magnetic force.
you may as well be poking at it with a stick..
what i sspect here, is whatever ammount of energy is put into 'adjusting' the wings, is converted magnetically into kenetic energy on the rotational part of the device.

the geomagnetic structure doesnt seem to matter, having like poles joining the spheres like that creates a low-friction junction, so it spins with very little energy input. on the same note, theres very little energy output if you stop the device.

i've got one here with paper wings it spins on the A/C flow inside the house, it spins as long as theres a litle bit of air flowing around the house.

thats about the most use i could find from it. unless we have a driving source, just hang it from something as a decoration... geomagnetic art... thats actually the intention of these toys we play with

Yeah, I was thinking it was just a very low friction magnet bearing. I am still going to give it a few more shots though, just because of the fact that it does feel like it wants to spin on it's own, just doesn't have enough energy. Like if I put my finger there to stop it, sometimes I feel a bit of a tug on my fingers. Maybe it is nothing though. 

[Yadaraf]

@smOky2,

Just curious. Name one irrational discovery with a great impact.

When thinking about the most important discoveries in physics it is quite interesting that they were made by non-physicists. Think of Meyer, think of Helmholtz or Carnot or even J.W Gibbs.

Omni,

Many scientists agree with the concept of the "lucky accident," which is an unreasoned and, therefore, irrational act.  Some of the greatest scientific discoveries have been made "irrationally":

Penicillin,
Microwave,
Insulin,
Poylprolylene,
Quinine,
X-rays,
Pap Smears,
Interferon,
Bioelectricty,
Asparatame,
Rayon,
Vaccination for Disease Prevention,
Cosmetic Botox,
V-iagra,
The Telephone,
Superglue,
Post-It Notes,
Vulcanization,
Velcro,
Corn Flakes,
Electromagnetics,
Cellophane,
Bose-Einstein Statistics
WhipMag AGW,    etc.

Throughout the ages humans have ingested numerous plants and roots, and by chance have made many (many) medicinal discoveries -- for example, willow root (a.k.a natural aspirin).  Imagine the irrationality (at the time) of consuming willow root for a headache.  IMHO it is the prevailing paradigm that determines the rationality of a scientific discovery.

Cheers

Yada..
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[Omnibus]

@smOky2,

There?s enough said on SMOT in the various threads so I don?t want to get into this again. For me it?s a done deal. If you want to learn more dig for the SMOT discussions. There are quite a few topics devoted to that.

As for the current construction, it seems you have convinced yourself already that it cannot lead to a self-sustaining device. It violates CoE, as many other constructions do but it cannot lead to a working pmm. Do I understand correctly what you just said?

Having it as a toy is of absolutely no interest to those trying to construct a self-sustaining device. On the other hand, as a proof for violation of CoE it isn't interesting as well because such proof has already been provided by a simpler  device allowing less leeway to critics to come up with their ridiculous objections.

[Omnibus]

@Yadaraf,

I only agree partially with what you say about these findings. Most of them aren't fundamental discoveries to begin with. I'm not inclined at this moment to discuss it further though. Maybe sometime later. What I'm really interested is to discuss whether or not there is a possibility in principle for a self-sustaining device. What would prevent, as a matter of principle, the obviously obtained discontinuous excess energy to be harnessed in a self-sustaining device? If that's the case there must be some theoretical reason preventing this. What is it?