Overunity Device using Magnets in the 1920's ?

[sparks]

  @Hans

        This speaker looks like the magnet is used as a reference scource as in a modern speaker.  The spring and oversized magnet looks like it converts some of the input signal into torque at the expense of the distortion of the input signal.  Some of the energy of the input signal being converted to the needed torque to drive the diaphragm.  I like the old crystal sets though that can take rf potential waves and convert them into electrical energy.

[hansvonlieven]

  @Hans

        This speaker looks like the magnet is used as a reference scource as in a modern speaker.  The spring and oversized magnet looks like it converts some of the input signal into torque at the expense of the distortion of the input signal.  Some of the energy of the input signal being converted to the needed torque to drive the diaphragm.  I like the old crystal sets though that can take rf potential waves and convert them into electrical energy.

Well Sparks,

This is the real point of contention here. If it is just that, a point of reference, then I am pissing in the wind. If on the other hand, as I think, the permanent magnets are contributing to the movement, then we are indeed in business.

Time will tell.

Hans von Lieven

[nightlife]

What speaker?   Did I miss something.

[hansvonlieven]

What speaker?   Did I miss something.

Not much, only the whole idea behind this entire thread. Read the very first post, it says it all in there. 

Hans von Lieven

[nightlife]

I should have started from the begining. Sorry

Now that know what you all are talking about with using a speaker. Let me now suggest to use only the voice coil. Something else that I have noticed being over look with voice coils is the potential them themselves have for creating energy.

Old crystal radios for instance. They use no power but yet create sound. We all know that sounds are created from vibrations and those vibrations could be used to create power instead of sound.

Based on that concept, the design can and should be simple by just conecting one or more iron rods or plates from the vibrating coil that would run through other coils that have magnets placed on the out side of the coils. The energy created from the vibrating iron rod in the coils can then be used as a power source.

Another concept would be to utilize both ends of the voice coil.

I have seen some speaker motors but I have yet to see a simple design like I am referring to.

Does that make sense?