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hho wirecell concept largest surface area question

Started by jikwan, February 22, 2008, 01:31:23 PM

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ResinRat2

Hi Jikwan,

Actually, I am glad you brought this up. It made me think on the best way to even do my project. It makes me want to investigate the possibility of tungsten/carbide wire as an alternative to the electrodes. The idea of winding around a plastic frame is also a great idea. I could picture it in my mind having great cross connections and maximum surface area. No tap welds needed. Lighter with lower theoretical electrical resistance. One continuous wire would give a better overall connection throughout the entire "plate" formation.

No, THANK YOU for thinking outside the box.

If anybody finds a flaw in my calculations then please bring it up. I would appreciate that.

This is why I don't like to work on research alone. Other heads bring up other ideas that I would never think of myself.

Thanks again,

RR2
Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.

jikwan

glad to hear it
wishing you success in your work

the current madness in rising prices of oil gas elec will turn our bunch of alternative techs
into desperados
zen is the art of seeing everything and noticing nothing

Farrah Day

RR2, just a few considerations.

The wire coils will obviously not provide a uniform distance between electrodes as would plates or tubes, ie there will effectively be hills and troughs as your diagram shows. I'm also wondering if the troughs might give the gases a place to clog and hence create more of a barrier effect.

however, it may be that the increased surface area more than compensates for the unequal distance and so becomes irrelevant - just thought it worth a mention.

Farrah Day

"It's what you learn after you know it all that counts"

jikwan

if the 2 vertical plastic rails were 3mm thick
and the 2 horizontals were 5mm thick
and not too much overlapping when making the coil or even no overlapping
there should be a very straight surface and 1mm gap for avoiding congestion

just had an idea

a serious consideration regarding fine wire coils is the higher possibility of explosion
with plates and tubes properly bolted one would not have the slightest doubt about anything
coming loose
many times theres rocking and bumping in engine compartment
one might always have an unsure,uneasy feeling about frail wires

the idea is      where the wire rounds the end and sides of the plastic rail it is burned into the
material or else covered over with some adhesive-filler

nothing is going to come loose

tight, straight,well "ventilated" and safe
zen is the art of seeing everything and noticing nothing

ResinRat2

After some internet searching I don't think it would be practical in my project. Finding tungsten/carbide wire seems to be like locating the Loch Ness Monster; and getting enough to do the job seems that it would be expensive regardless. The other concern is if it would be flexible. The tungsten rods do not bend.

It was an interesting thought experiment though. Oh well, I guess I will stick with the electrodes I have.

Research is the only place in a company where you can continually have failures and still keep your job.

I knew immediately that was where I belonged.