Steven Mark´s associate Jack Durban comes forward with more info !

[wattsup]

@comp-tech

Thanks for your post and I will be the first one to admit when I have jumped the gun so I'm really sorry. The timing was just bad in that the very essence of what you posted has been put up here, read and re-read so many times but no-one wants to put these "sentences" in context to the stream of posts they stem from so what good are they really. Sorry again.

@Nomen luni

It is unfortunate that all you could grasp was my four-letter markers. At least it shows you followed the post. Sorry if you found that to be offensive but the subject in question needed some emphasis to portray "intense" displeasure. "Dang Nabit" or "Golly Gee" would not have sufficed. Granted I should have put a warning message stating "Warning: This post may contain words and depictions that may be offensive to some readers. Reader discretion is advised". But I did say "Ouch".

[hartiberlin]

Hi All,
here is a new email from Dave Doleshal, I just received.
Seems to be Jack was wrong that SM did not understand LC circuits.

Hello Stefan,

  Good to hear from you,

  As I've said before, I wish I had more to tell you folks, but I really don't. I appreciate your noble efforts to investigate this matter. If I had anything of significance to give you about the technical aspects of how this TPU works, I'd happily share it, but unfortunately I still can't be much help here. I don't know anymore about it now than I did last time. People bug me all the time, offer me huge sums of money for such information. I'm as greedy as the next fellow and if I had anything to sell, I'd have done so, but I don't.

However, I'll add my two cents about the Jack Durban's revelations, for what my opinion may be worth.

  In contrast to most of the other monkeys in this free energy circus, Jack Durban is for real. I have not managed to hear to content of the interview, but from the comments others seem to have made about it, I can verify at least some of what was evidently said.

   Jack Durban really was retained to help move the project along, but as he says, no specific details of how the device worked were given to him. In those days, most of the people surrounding SM and the companies he was involved with could politely be described as sharks. SM knew this and took steps to obscure the workings of the device, both his conversations and in any videos he may have allowed to be made of it in operation. Most of these folks who saw the device had visions of instant vast wealth and thus were VERY angry that SM would not hand over the device or its secrets. Near as I can tell, all this venom, rage and associated urge for revenge accounts for all the back biting and character assassination they hurled at SM, as well as at each other.

    In virtually all cases, it was one of the pot calling the kettle black. While SM made no secrets of his relationships, bisexual interests etc, many of these "respectable" (married) guys were fucking their secretaries, each other or numerous women other than their spouses, lying to their spouses about it, and then lecturing the rest of the world on proper morals. Some of them tried to blackmail each other, and character assassination was a routine activity. Not especially different than corporate America operates now.

    As far as the details of all that go, it is immaterial to the key issues here. I know people seem to think they can evaluate the legitimacy of the technology based on information about the character and morals of the guy with the technology, but I assure you it is useless to do so. Many of the great inventors of the past have been unsavory characters, and many great technologies were probably brought to the world by people who stole them from someone else. Consider the cases of Edison and JP Morgan. Perhaps it is some kind a law of nature or something. Seems like people who are always reasonable, sensible, conventional, by the "book kind of folks" just don't have the kind of creativity, curious minds, courage and sheer brazen audacity to ever invent anything new in the world.

   I seem to recall something from George Bernard Shaw or someone like him who said,

     "Reasonable people don't ask embarrassing questions, rock the boat,  risk the disapproval or their neighbors, threaten the status quo, or challenge the powers that be. Once you realize that, you are led to the conclusion that all the progress that has ever been made in the world is the results of the actions of UNREASONABLE people."

   For better or worse, SM is one of those kinds of unreasonable people under discussion here, or at least he was in his younger days.

   So proving SM, or any other inventor, was something other than a saint won't tell you a damn thing about whether his technology really works or not, or if so, how it might work. So stop wasting your time. As experimental psychologists say, "there's no cheese up that alley."  Seems like I see a hundred posts about inventor's character or alleged moral failings for every one post about the technical aspects of what they invent. The only hope you have of ever figuring this thing out is investigating the technical information, frustratingly thin though it may be.

    Far as I know, SM is not guilty of any of the frauds or criminal offensives any one has made up about him. I haven't seen him in many years, so maybe he's done something dastardly since then, but somehow I doubt it. As far as the 3D audio patent goes, that was a legitimate invention. Anybody who claims it involved hidden speakers in the walls is so far out to lunch that they can't be taken seriously. They are either a liar or totally ignorant of the matters of which they speak. Besides, that patent has nothing whatsoever to do with the TPU.

   On the other hand, proving that SM was a saint wouldn't prove anything either. If he'd been a Church-going, squeaky clean, goodie-two shoes all-American boy scout all his life, that wouldn't tell us one damn thing about whether the technology works or not than what we know now, would it? I've been scammed by such supposedly upright Church-going, so-called "respectable" people more often than I have been by avowed rouges, and I am not impressed by them.

  Regarding such, I suppose the example of Jack Durban serves to illustrate this point. I've nothing bad to say about Jack. Durban is a very intelligent man, as well as a man of high integrity. In contrast to many of the schooks that hung around the operation in those days, I always liked Jack and admired him, both as person and for his technical abilities. His basic electronics knowledge came from a solid and standard college education in the matter, and by the time I met him he had (I believe) well over a decade of direct experience of designing electronic circuitry for a living, mostly in building prototypes or refining them for industrial use and manufacture. He's evidently continued doing that over the decade since last I saw him, so have to believe he must be even more skilled and knowledgeable now in the field than he was then. My guess would be there are probably not more a few dozen people in the world who are much better skilled at circuit design than Durban is. He's earned his stripes the hard way, and when he speaks of matters related to electronics and circuit design, he knows what he's talking about and ought to be taken very seriously.

  Yet even so, he seems unable to explain the working of the device that he has seen within own eyes. As far as his claims that SM does not know much about LC circuits, I confess I am at a loss to explain that statement. Although not university trained in electronics, SM genuinely is skilled in that field in his own right. He was one of those kids who was building radios and sound equipment while he was in second grade, and fixing the neighbor's broken televisions for the fun of it when he was 10 years old. Though mostly self-taught, he always had a flare for technical matters, on numerous occasions displayed extraordinary problem solving ability and intuition where technology was concerned, and had always displayed an uncanny level of inventiveness and creativity. He was always a tinkerer and a tekkie, and anyone who says he lacks the technical skill to invent anything this is too far removed from the facts for their opinion to be worth anything.

   Myself having only a rudimentary knowledge of electronics, I'm not sure what to make of the claim SM doesn't understand LC circuits. That claim could be accurately leveled at me, but SM always seemed to understand about coils and capacitors, and on numerous occasions I saw him hold in own in discussions on such matters with other engineers that went way over my head. I've seen him fix the technical problems in circuitry designed by respectable university trained engineers when they themselves couldn't figure out what was wrong with it. There may be some subtleties about this that Jack knows about that I would never comprehend. But all I can say is if SM had any deficiency in that area, whatever it was, it never seemed to have slowed him down when designing and building audio equipment or sophisticated communications technology.

  On the other hand, in defense of Jack, as I have said, I always found him to be a man of high integrity. If he is making statements that are untrue on a few isolated points, I have to believe he can only be doing so in honest error, and that he does so only because he honestly believes what he says is true. I'm sure he was fed a great deal of misinformation and disinformation for strategic reasons,  by SM and many times as much by others, so if his perception of some aspects of the circumstances turn out to be confused or incorrect, he can certainly be excused for that. Durban is just not the kind of guy who would make shit up or tell malicious lies about somebody.

  That being said, there are three main things Durban says that I do think are important to take into consideration:

   1: That he saw the TPU technology
   2: That he was convinced it was genuine, and that it really worked.
   3: That he does NOT have any information about how it works.

   Of course, just because he believed it worked does NOT prove it works. It is not impossible he could have been deceived along with the rest of us. However, Durban is one of those people who was tek-savvy enough that he should have been able  to see through most of the kinds of shananigins some trickster might use in this kind of deception. He's nobody's fool and he's not a gullible person.

    I do recall having conversations about this with Jack a decade ago, and he was quite certain then what he saw could not have been faked by means of hidden batteries inside, hidden wires, powerful electromagnets or hidden radio transmitters in the floor or walls etc. It is interesting that even after 10 years of reflection, he still has not changed his opinion on this. I'm not quite sure what SM did to a-lay what suspicions he no doubt had on such matters, but whatever it was, Jack apparently came away satisfied.

  I do recall a conversation from that time in which Jack told me of his theory about the TPU's operation via this Schumann resonance. Jack was quite certain of this 10 years ago, and was certain it would take him only a few weeks to replicate the effect himself with a device of his own making. Even then he had already begun the attempt. I asked SM if this was on the right tract, and he just laughed, shook his head and said Durban was barking up the wrong tree.  Perhaps someday someone will make a free energy device based on that principle, but the fact that ten years later Jack, armed both with his excellent technical skill and the resolve that certainty he is correct can bring, still doesn't appear to have made such a device inclines me to think SM's reaction to the Schumann resonance theory was an honest one.

  As far as who did invent the TPU, although I can't speak with authority on the matter, all evidence I have makes me think it was SM. He used to go on about thinking such a thing could be built since he was a teenager. On several occasions he was certain he has solved the matter, but the things he built early on never worked. He never lied about it, and was extremely frustrated his early devices never worked. He was a great Tesla fan, and was sure that Tesla really had made such a device and was determine to replicate it. I used to dig information out of libraries for him, and he consumed such material like candy. 
One day he finally made something that evidently worked, and that was what later got named the TPU.

   How it worked, he never told me. Neither did he tell me the thought processes and research that immediately preceded that success. When we use to live in Orange County, there was a local legend about this kind of things. Allegedly, Tesla himself had come to Santa Ana and build a power station there in the early 1900s, shortly after he build the one in Niagara Falls. By this time, Tesla had supposedly built the first version of his own free energy device, and left one or more such units in the area when he left, either in nearby Huntington Beach or some other part of Orange County.  I've never  found any confirming evidence for this, and it may well be just a legend, but that is  how the story went. Perhaps this is why so  many of these free energy  device scams seem to eminate from that area. There were many people in those days, SM included, that felt if they could only find this mysterious device hidden in Huntington Beach or there abouts, or even get information about it, he might someday recreate the technology. He spent a lot of time trying to chase this legend down, but so far as I know, neither he nor anyone else ever found it or even confirmed the existence of this legendary device.  Some times I still imagine that perhaps SM found this lost holy grail, or at least someone who knew enough about it to fill in the necessary gaps in his own knowledge to build it. But imagine is all I can do, because for all I know no one ever found such a thing. If someone else did impart the secret to SM, I'd have to guess it was the man who Tesla may have entrusted with the device, but if so, SM never mentioned that fact to me. But if you are trying to make sense of a rumor that somehow the TPU is wholely or at least partially the invention of some one other than SM, some anonymous now-deceased inventor who once lived in Orange County, that would be my suspicion.

  When I said he never gave me any clue about the inner workings of the device, I suppose that is not quite true. The one thing he did say, vague though it is, regards the story I just relayed. He once told me he believed his device operated on the same principle as did Tesla's, and that part of the clues he used to make it was based on the theory that the first one was something Tesla had made prior to 1900, probably around 1895 or even before. If that was the case, (if), it had to have been created only from the tools and knowledge Tesla had available in 1895, such as it was. Doing so had to have been something that could have been made with 1895 technology, not using transistors, other electronics or measuring equipment, knowledge of quantum physics or anything else that sophisticated. It would have to have been based on something very basic that was discoverable about magnetism and/or electricity even in those days. This would seem to rule out all the high flown talk of extra-dimensional models of space, zero-point energy, energy vortexes and other stuff people are so fond of today. It would have to have been something much simplier.

   All speculation. I can't prove any of it. I wish I could tell you for sure the thing really works, but I;m as much in the dark as the rest of you. All I can say that people far smarter and more technologically -savvy than I am, even when they were very suspicious and determined to expose it as a fraud, never could seem to do so. Perhaps one will someday, but they haven't yet. If anyone ever does duplicate the effect, I would suggest they broadcast the news of it far and wide. If anyone on the list ever does figure anything out, I'd love to hear about. But I unfortunately don't have anything I can say of value.

   As for what SM is up today, or where he might be, I am afraid I can't say much about that either. About eight or nine years ago, I said or did something that deeply offended or upset him, and he basically banished me. He's never been willing to meet with me ever since, or even let me know what I was I did that offended him so. He had been a close friend of mine for many years up until that point, so that was personally a very sad thing for me. Last I saw him was very long time ago. He said he had sold his interest in the TPU to someone several year before that, and had no further interest in it, and didn't want to talk about it. Far as I can tell, that was a true statement.

  . Last year another person told he had relocated to Hong Kong, was determined to live a quiet life, and was involved in other matters. They had no address for him.

  So that's where it is.

  Good luck folks. I hope you succeed in your investigations.

  Regards.
  DAVE

[FatBird]

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[sparks]

  @Fatbird

      The dayside of the Earth experiences a compression of the ionosphere due to the solar wind smacking into the magnetosphere.  There is also a compression of the inner atmosphere that occurs between seasons as the upper atmosphere becomes colder and denser from one hemisphere to the next.  In the North we get our cyclonic storms in the fall and call them hurricanes.
At the North Pole we get plasmic cyclones called the Aurora Borealis.   Everything gets a little crazy when we get compression of the aether.

  You should probably post your work in the general discussion of the tpu thread.
It will get lost here cause this is more a political thread.

[bolt]

Stefan thanks for that so we are back to plan A that SM wasn't a dumb ass after all LOL

Oh my its an  interesting Soap if nothing else but more so since Jack appeared after all these years others are making Guest appearances on the "Show".

The Tesla theories  do tick many boxes and when we look back to others these devices were built with very early 1900's technology.  Back then even in early radio the basic oscillator circuit was king. Correct me if I'm wrong but circuits of high speed logic pulses were simply not on the agenda back then.  Of course its doesn't rule out an intermediary scientist didn't re-invent this again during the 60's and 70's only if SM stumbled on a part of the technology via the "French Connection" that Jack spoke about.

I look at the importance of the style of devices around this time and Edwin Armstrong, invented and patented the regenerative radio circuit way back in 1914. The regen is the one of the most amazing circuits to me ever made. A single tube can bring the Q of a coil into the brink of oscillation to provide a real gain of 100,000+  times. Now with that type of gain the faint magnetics fields could be amplified enough to do something useful. Then we have 1920 Thomas  Moray device appears and in 1928 comes Hendershot. All are oscillator type devices that required tuning and tweaking to get them working. It wasn't till 1930 that Tesla had his electric car so seemingly required the technology of tubes, oscillators and radio before any of these appeared.

I think some need to go back to grass roots because that is where the answer will be found.