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Could thermite produce hydrogen ?

Started by infringer, March 23, 2008, 11:30:06 PM

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infringer

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4963203.html

If anyone seen thermite in action it gets extremely hot extremely fast...

I wonder if according to the patents under pressure it claims to vaporize things into gases I wonder if this is enough or rapid enough heat to break hydrogen bonds from differnt elements containing hydrogen specifically water?

What is the temperature at which hydrogen breaks its bond to oxygen in water as vaporization is said to break the bonds by some...

Anyhow another avenue to consider but a dangerous one for ametures like myself.
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Feynman




Hydrogen Orbital Diagram


Hydrogen bonding diagram


I *think* diatomic Hydrogen binds using that PI bond.   But it's been awhile since I studied this.  I think what you want has something to do with enthalpy of combustion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_enthalpy_change_of_formation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_enthalpy_change_of_formation_%28data_table%29


It seems to me you are looking at an energy hump of 285 kcal/mol.  This could be completely wrong because it's hard for me to remember all this stuff without doing a bunch of stoch problems.  You are best to grab a college chemistry text and try some of the excercizes.  In any case, remember this is in chemistry / thermodynamic conventional theory .  We are not examining resonance, tunneling, or any of the stranger aspects of quantum electrodynamics.  Hope this helps.

-Feynman

PulsedPower

Thermite can easily produce hydrogen, it might get a bit violent though. Aluminium and iron can both reduce water it might work better with less Fe2O3 and replace it with Fe powder.

sledgehammer

hi
please ignore if I'm wrong  :-\
but won't the thermite reaction  ignite the hydrogen / oxygen , given off ??? , or maybe this is what you
want to achieve ???

I'm sure this happens in foundry's when there is water in the casting mold when the moulten steel is poured in
the water is split into hho gas, and expands / explodes ... or does it expand into steam ???
anyway a lot of energy is given off  :o

thermite .... nasty stuff

all the best
sledgehammer

PulsedPower

Quotebut won't the thermite reaction  ignite the hydrogen / oxygen , given off
Most of the oxygen will react with the Aluminium or iron to form Fe2O3 and Al2O3.