Bedini's Wooden Toys

[amigo]

Yeah I was wondering about that wooden toy motor as well, I wish he lifted it up to show us there are guts beneath so that there's no confusion...

Here's a video clip for those interested to see: http://mihd.net/1e49k8m   (click on Request Ticket, then click Download)

[Koen1]

I thought "Bedini SG motor" stood for Bedini's so-called "School Girl" motor?
Which is simply an incorrect term for a variation of the Bedini pulse motors,
in my opinion...

Still find reports of batteries that have run such motors for years, then
all of a sudden go ultra-dead, and then need to be put in a grid-powered
charged to "recuperate", during which they pull several times the
supposed total battery power before starting to recharge.
And still the guys I know who have worked on this for years say
it seems to work for a while, but they claim to all have run into
this "deep cycling" problem...

I still say make one work without a battery as crucial circuit component,
start it from a battery jolt then run it off capacitors,
and if that works, then I'll jump on the Bedini bandwagon with you guys,
but so far I have not seen any that don't need a battery. And this
makes me a bit suspicious. If the Bedini motor really puts out more
than it needs to run, it should not be very difficult at all to run it off
capacitors, should it? So why then, after all these years (decennia even)
is it still not happening?

[WilbyInebriated]

the 'school girl' moniker came from the fact that a elementary school aged girl built machine using a variation of JB's circuit given to her by JB. how you came to the 'opinion' that this is incorrect eludes me...
they are quite simple to build, why not build one using caps and let us know your results?
perhaps in your 'research' you have missed the point. dead batteries can be brought back to usable states. it is possible to charge a number of batteries with one. even if the battery 'suddenly dries up' you go get another one that has been thrown out as 'unusable'. making it a 'self runner' never was and never should be the point.
you can build one (for under $50) or you can remain suspicious i guess.

[Koen1]

the 'school girl' moniker came from the fact that a elementary school aged girl built machine using a variation of JB's circuit given to her by JB. how you came to the 'opinion' that this is incorrect eludes me...

Because it is like you say a version of the typical Bedini motor. To act as if it is something different and refer to it as "the SG" seems misleading... Well, you can call it what you want. But it's still just another variation of the "standard" Bedini setup.

they are quite simple to build, why not build one using caps and let us know your results?

I don't build one because it is a lot of hassle, because I am busy with a totally different device at the moment and will be for quite some time still,
and because there are guys on here who have already built Bedini motors and could quite easily adapt one to use caps.

perhaps in your 'research' you have missed the point. dead batteries can be brought back to usable states. it is possible to charge a number of batteries with one. even if the battery 'suddenly dries up' you go get another one that has been thrown out as 'unusable'. making it a 'self runner' never was and never should be the point.

No, you are missing the point.
The batteries don't go "flat" to simply be recharged, like any flat battery.
They go "dead": they need to be recharged with X times the energy you would normally use to charge them fully.
In other words: the energy gained in the "free energy" operation of the Bedini battery "back-poppers" appears
to somehow still come from the batteries, and when they go "dead", all that "excess" energy needs to be
put back into the batteries. Not normal recharge, massively increased recharge.
That's just the point I'm making.
Oh, and yes, making it a "self runner" should obviously be the goal.
Are you seriously suggesting that you want to have a Bedini motor that does not self-run,
that does not produce "free energy", and is simply a normal motor that runs on batteries
which need to be recharged?
If that's what you believe, you have missed a large part of Bedinis theory and stories, I guess.
Bedini clearly claimed a "free energy" device, that could provide motive power off a battery
which does not run out because it is recharged by "negative energy" in the process,
or could recharge more batteries than it runs on without providing motive power.
I am pointing you toward the "dead" battery phenomenon that people have experienced
with Bedinis motors and the "deep cycle discharge" explanations that have been suggested,
which if true mean that there is no "free energy" process going on.

you can build one (for under $50) or you can remain suspicious i guess.

Have you actually built one?
I have heard many a story of people who tried to build one mainly for the reason
that it is cheap, but many have not been able to get it to run. Some have gotten
it to work, but say it is not really usefull, as he motor cannot provide usefull
power and the batteries don't get significant recharge, an even though they
can get it to run for long periods they can't actually pull energy from it...

[WilbyInebriated]

Because it is like you say a version of the typical Bedini motor. To act as if it is something different and refer to it as "the SG" seems misleading... Well, you can call it what you want. But it's still just another variation of the "standard" Bedini setup.

yes, a version a school girl built, the simple version to demonstrate the principle... and thats how it got the moniker... because a school girl replicated it, get it? this is a fact, documented by a newspaper article. you are welcome to your opinions.

I don't build one because it is a lot of hassle, because I am busy with a totally different device at the moment and will be for quite some time still,
and because there are guys on here who have already built Bedini motors and could quite easily adapt one to use caps.

alot of hassle to wind a bifilar coil and solder a transistor a resistor and a diode?  LMFAO perhaps you have armchair quarterback syndrome? when you were in school did you have other kids do your homework? there is a 'point' to doing it yourself... the obvious one is you can perform the experiment, whatever it may be, to your own exacting standards. you can measure the input and output power, be it reactive, real or true. sure i could convert to caps and do it for you, but i'm sure whatever the result, i wont have done it 'correctly'. cure your own skepticism or don't, i don't care, but step back from the bandwagon

No, you are missing the point.
The batteries don't go "flat" to simply be recharged, like any flat battery.
They go "dead": they need to be recharged with X times the energy you would normally use to charge them fully.
In other words: the energy gained in the "free energy" operation of the Bedini battery "back-poppers" appears
to somehow still come from the batteries, and when they go "dead", all that "excess" energy needs to be
put back into the batteries. Not normal recharge, massively increased recharge.
That's just the point I'm making.
Oh, and yes, making it a "self runner" should obviously be the goal.
Are you seriously suggesting that you want to have a Bedini motor that does not self-run,
that does not produce "free energy", and is simply a normal motor that runs on batteries
which need to be recharged?
If that's what you believe, you have missed a large part of Bedinis theory and stories, I guess.
Bedini clearly claimed a "free energy" device, that could provide motive power off a battery
which does not run out because it is recharged by "negative energy" in the process,
or could recharge more batteries than it runs on without providing motive power.
I am pointing you toward the "dead" battery phenomenon that people have experienced
with Bedinis motors and the "deep cycle discharge" explanations that have been suggested,
which if true mean that there is no "free energy" process going on.

yes i am seriously suggesting that, a more efficient battery charger than the one you buy at sears. one that can 'charge' a battery that your sears 'amp pusher' wont even charge anymore because it sees it as an infinite amount of resistance. more armchair quarterbacking from someone who claims winding a bifilar coil and soldering a 4 component circuit is "too much of a hassle" LOL

Have you actually built one?

yes i have

I have heard many a story of people who tried to build one mainly for the reason
that it is cheap, but many have not been able to get it to run. Some have gotten
it to work, but say it is not really usefull, as he motor cannot provide usefull
power and the batteries don't get significant recharge, an even though they
can get it to run for long periods they can't actually pull energy from it...

the rotor part of the energizer is not meant to provide large amounts of torque, in fact you don't even need a rotor, so that line of argument is mute. again you clearly demonstrate your superior understanding of bedini's work, without having replicated his work... neat trick, show me how to do that sometime will you?
my batteries recharged just fine, and after many cycles done with a small 5v lithium it lasts much longer, but never mind all that, its just to much of a hassle for you and we will leave it at that.