Feeding Hydrogen into engine tips !

[energymadAndy]

Hi All, I hope that i am posting a remark in the right way, a bit new to all this if you will excuse any mistakes please.
I Live in South Africa and we have been hit with the largest fuel price jump in history, and are due to have another this month. Petrol (gas) is now R9.15 a litre, that's about $4.75 a gallon. I have always studied (where possible without the internet before '95) about free energy, i started before Mr EV Gray passed away and was quite surprised to hear of Mr S Meyer's passing. what's going on?..... I would like to ask these questons to the whole forum if possible and would value each and every view and will try to answer each one. This is bigger than the people that are trying to squash it.
I was building a compressed air motor in the 80's without much success, Money was the main issue, the secondary is that you try to make a living before you can make money. this led to my shelving of the plan before completion.
this has led me to the Hydrogen models that you guys are on about.
I have purchased plans for the Run your car on water by Power, have read and got plans for fuel cells by Boyce and am deciding what method to follow,
Boyce uses multiple cells in the electrode section and uses the coil to alter the pulse length and steps up to a 3 phase system, Power uses a coil in the generator, what is the gain or loss between the two, Power's system generates Ortho and Para Hydrogen but Boyce only discusses the generation of Hydroxy gas, are we talking about the same thing here or not. does Boyce's system create the two and use collectively, as Power's system explains the Ortho hydrogen as the fuel and the Para Hydrogen as the Octane boosting.( which can both be adjusted for different driving conditions.)
Stanley Meyer uses 6 SS electrodes in the generator but does not use a coil in the electronics or in the generator.
Then everything was becoming clear and i started reading about the Joe Cell, what the......
Hydrogen fuel cells are starting to make sense and someone comes out with this marvel, what must we do, build fuel cells or build Joe Cells?....
Back to hydrogen generation.
Will each Type of generator generate enough hydrogen, (para, Ortho or hydroxy) to run the motor vehicle without the need for any petroleum fuel?
In Diesel motors, what is the retarding amount required? diesel motors ignite the fuel under pressure at 8-10 degrees BTDC. the ignition to explosion delay is about 16 - 18 degrees meaning that the hydrogen gas will explode when the piston is still at the BTDC position and not yet at ATDC, How are you guys getting the timing right in the diesel injection system.
When i asked what happened to the O2 that is being generated by electrolysis i was told that it became aluminium oxide and sank to the bottom of the generator, is this true and where does the aluminium come from to oxidise.
Are there any other plans out there
And please, I will appreciate any answers
Regards
Andy

[Jonny Q]

@ EnergymadAndy

I am still very new to the electronics of how these more complex fuel cells work and not yet created one cause i am still in the process of researching them so i can't give much info on your first questions.
As for your question about adjusting your ignition...each vehicle make model and year are different as you go from older to newer years you go from cars with distributors to cars with electrical timing ignition. The first being a easier way of changing your cars timing and ignitions by adjusting your distributer, and the later being harder but more accurate and hardly ever needing to be changed, but i believe the way you can easily change the newer models is to purchase a conversion kit and hook up a laptop or computer to the cars computer.

I don't if you've heard but i guess Europe made a car than runs on only compressed air and there finally bringing it to the U.S. it can get to around 150 miles on one tank and theres a option to be able to add a small 2-stroke motor and be able to go 600 miles off a 5gallon gas tank. not 100% sure on those figures but i know there somewhat close. kinda interesting though   

[energymadAndy]

Thanks Jonny Q
will check it out but I must say I am more interested in the HHO system at the moment
gathering the materials, just looking for the right method,
No info to add for me?
Thanks
Andy

[Jonny Q]

The Stanley Meyers replication has seemed to catch my eye. You get a good amount of HHO gas produced with a small amount of amps if it's done right. Thats the style of cell i plan on making, i ordered the parts to make the D14 circuit to go along with it. that is whats pulses the amps and frequency to the electrodes which is suppose to increase the gas production while keeping the amps the same.

Not sure if read the post on this site about building that replication but here it is anyway. P.S. its a long post  <a href="http://www.overunity.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=943bd11fe93201a7eb0a428c699a5aa4&topic=3079.msg45012#msg45012"> Stanley Meyers replication<a/>

[sulake]

@sulake, it is possible that the increased and more rapid combustion damaged a piston ring, especially if your engine was igniting the fuel just before or at TDC (top dead center) did your car burn some oil and produce smoke once you added the cell or before you added the cell? did you notice any oil in the radiator fluid?

@JonnyQ
No there was no oil in the radiator fluid and the piston rings where good so I put the old ones back. I couldnââ,¬â,,¢t see any seal damage or leakage spot. This engine has about 205000miles behind so it consumes some oil normally too. But not this much, newer. It must be the faulty ignition time that caused extra load before TDC.

Anyway, the engine is now working like a new. Ready for new experimentsââ,¬Â¦
I will try to study the Mayer cell and to test if I can get the cell work like it suppose to. In a resonance state where the gas production is in maximum.