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hydrogen and engine rust/ possible solution

Started by vdubdipr, April 08, 2008, 10:21:04 PM

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Dr.Greenthumb

most newer head /pistons are cast/forged aluminum

Sprocket

With the idiotic price of oil, I have been researching this subject for awhile but have been become quite disillusioned with the amount of conflicting info that's out there.  For instance, already in this thread there is at least one matter-of-fact statements about car running completely on hydrogen whereas the math makes it clear that to achieve this requires an enormous amount of hydrogen - far more than a booster could produce.  There is more conflicting info regarding engine temp running on hydrogen.  BMW's ceramic engine prototypes appears to have been the catalyst for the prevaling belief that hydrogen combustion results in higher temperatures, whereas the opposite appears to be the case, at least according to one respected OU forum member.  Finally, and the basis of this thread, engine rusting due to hydrogen use.  The current view seems to swing towards rusting will occur, whereas all 'normal' cars will produce copious amount of water vapour when started, and continue to do so until the engine is stopped, albeit, at a much reduced rate.  Now, crack open an engine and there's no rust to be found!  Finally, I ran a car with the head gasket gone on it for several months - it actually looked like one of those 'clown cars', the way the steam belched from the exhaust - when I finally got around to replacing the gasket, I was expecting the valves to be in a terrible state with rust , but it was not so - yes,  there was rust, but not much, which surprised me considering the amount of water it was using... 

I guess what I'm saying is that most of the 'wisdom' out there seems to have become sort of urban legends, passed along chain-letter-style by interested parties, most of whom have not actually tried it out in practice - at least that's how I read it...

ramset

Sprocket well what can we do about this ? 
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vdubdipr

yeah i feel that,  and i have not ran an engine on hydrogen... but i have read that if one did,it would only last for 4 years... i think alot of the stuff we read about,that conflicts with other things we read,often goes into the direction of common sense, but the thing of it is that there are enough people to be detered by negative connotiations,that if someone was to try to undermine this technology it could be easily done for the majiority of the populace. and even with the see it to believers they will often just side with the majiority, who usually have no knowlegde of whats really going on, all i was sayin is that if an engine was to rust ,aybe it could be changed back to gas for a second to eliminate any water vapor if any in the cylinder that would sit overnight...i personally dont think rust is an issue but i just wanted to hear what other people, who know shit, had to say about it... the non-believers that i talk to about boosting my car always mention rust, so i just wanted to hear from knowlegable people like yourselves.....   thanks all !
thats just what i think...

ramset

well there is a guy running a chevy v8 on water with flash steam back to water  this would be the real test of water in an engine and he has over 30000 miles on this car and at least 10 years  I don't think water is the problem I think the ECM is the problem   the distributer [in new cars ]is the problem  having the nerve to experiment on your new  car is the problem however   keeping an eye open around this forum there are some really big things going on that are ready to pop this tech has only recently got to the point where the volume of gas might run a car   Bob Boyce is supposed to show a car conversion in june    Chet
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