The TPU uncovered? (A PROBABLE technique.)

[pauldude000]

This may ruffle some hackles. I am going to speak here completely bluntly.

I may have been somewhat remiss in my last post.

One name comes to mind as an instant attack whenever any sort of claim or demonstration is made, by most anyone. It has been this way since I have been here.......... Get the Poynt?

Now, I may just sound somewhat Grumpy when I say this, but whenever any truly scientific viewpoint is launched, another name jumps in to attack. Also has been this way from the beginning.

What is worse is both misquote and/or misrepresent the "viewpoint" that they individually supposedly believe. Neither of them post evidential results of their own "experiments" of any kind..... 

However, the techniques applied by both are incredibly similar.

It is true that a small amount of force can control a much larger force. Thought works the same way. Ridicule, make a laughingstock of someone, and others tend to quit listening to them. Downplay anything possibly important, and promote error whenever possible.

It is called disinformation, and the techniques are age old. Whether purposeful, or ego fed, is the only question in my mind.

Paul Andrulis

[pauldude000]

@forest

By "TPU coils" I assume you are talking the horizontal collectors? (There are two coil sets used in the TPU from SM's description, namely the horizontal collector coils, and the vertical control/drive coils.

I have seen some interesting effects using bifilar collectors. Experimentation is going to be the ultimate judge. I am personally starting to lean in the pancake direction myself though.

I do know that in the HQ video I got from JDO300, that depicted the open frame TPU which definitely showed solenoidal type control coils of speaker type wire visible to the open air. However, it also showed a circular molded plate on both top and bottom which would have HAD to have been pancake coils, quite possibly bifilar, since the visible controls were wound around them.

I need to start going back through my "discarded" TPU's (so far around ten experimental built), and retest them, from a slightly different standpoint.

Paul Andrulis 

[EMdevices]

Hi Paul, 

In your pancake coil experiment you use a square wave that has a DC component of zero (i.e. square wave that swings to + voltage and then to - voltage).   So that's why you see the "kickback" voltage, typical of interupting the current through an inductor, at EVERY zero crossing.  You're saying it is appearing at the LEADING edge, but it's more like the TRAILING edge of the previous pulse, that's the proper way to think about it.  There can be pulses at the leading edge, but you need to varry you pulse width to realy notice that phenomena with the right setup, with a 50% pulse width (or square wave) it's not going to work.

@ poynt,  I'm not annoyed, just frustrated.

EM

[sparks]

      Perhaps the kick dielectric information imposed on the control windings electrostatically cleaves the collector copper mass.   This creates charge stratified layers of copper mass.  Effectively turning the mass of the collector windings into thousands of individual conducting fields. 

[poynt99]

sheesh Paul, you are paranoid you know?

i was never trying to make a laughing stock of you. i am trying to get to the bottom of the kick mystery---still.

yes i call bs when i see it, and do you think i'm the only one? they may not post, but i guarantee you there are many more.

what i said about Lenz's law and cemf still holds true, but in this case your setup really is a passive differentiator made from a series resistor and shunt inductor. it was my mistake thinking it was cemf in this case. don't worry, i'm not in cahoots with grumpy.

sorry you read me wrong. if i was only interested in derailing true research (and you've done some good research here with this experiment), i would be doing things quite different. also, gk and otto deserve 10 times the amount of flak i dish out, but no one here has the balls to do it. no one presses them about their claims and so their disinformation lives on and creates what we have today on the Steven Mark thread, a mishmash of senseless unproven garbage being hailed as the "best" research going on here...poppycock!

i had hoped to stir up some dialogue about your experiment, but not much came of it until posted what I thought it was. now you're scorning me for admitting i was wrong....no one here ever admits they're wrong. made a mistake in doing that also i guess.

just takes things at face value and forget about the MIB thing. or not, the choice is yours.