Stubblefield coils (bifilar) and speculations

[Pirate88179]

@ Andy:

I have not heard or read of anyone doing this but, it does not mean it has not been done, or it is not a good idea to try.  I do know some people are getting volts from wire strung in the air, as in ham radio antennas.  Where this is coming from I do not know.  To get maximum power, I will hook this coil to other coils, antennas, trees, whatever it takes.  I will try anything.  I have some crazy ideas I have thought of lately that I will share soon when I get the time.  Maybe something, maybe nothing...who knows?

@ Jeanna:

When you say one of your coils is shorted, shorted how?  And how do you know?  I guess you checked continuity between the different wires and core?  I had a shot in my smaller coil once and I was able to isolate it with a few minutes of testing.  I found it was between the copper wire and iron wire, the core was isolated ok.  I systematically checked smaller sections until I got past where the short was with my probes.  I then backed up and located the offending kink in the copper wire that was touching the iron wire.  With a little help from a jeweler's screwdriver, I was back in business. Yes, an O'scope would be very nice but then, I would have to learn what I was looking at on the screen and how to run the thing. Well, it's always fun to learn new things anyway.... ha ha.  I don't think any of our coils is making enough volts to spark as of yet.  There was a topic on OU somewhere where Stefan was talking about making a very small spark gap that would spark with very low volts.  They were speaking of using two very sharpened graphite rods (think sharp pencil points) spaced about .002" apart.  I believe they said this worked.  They tried steel but it melted the sharp point off and made the gap too large to work anymore.  If I can remember which topic, I will post it.

The resonant frequency and the electrical frequency are two different things as far as I know.  As you said, we could strike the coils, core and all and it might "ring" at x frequency but I don't think this is related to the electrical resonance frequency.  There are some relationships though, as in mass changes the sound freq. and length of wire and wire diameter changes electrical freq.  If you look at the work Dr. Stiffler is doing in his topic, they are resonating a coil and a choke and lighting many leds and a neon bulb with way less power than is supposed to be possible.  But, it only happens at one particular freq.  That is a good topic to read through if you have not.  Most of it is over my head electronically speaking but he now is offering complete boards and also kits you can assemble yourself to help him get the replication results he is after.  Very cheaply priced.  He may have sold them all by now but his pc board and components assembled was less than I could buy the stuff for and do myself.  (If I had the money, I would buy one)
Again, there is so much out there we have not even begun to think about yet.

Bill

[jeanna]

When you say one of your coils is shorted, shorted how?  And how do you know?

Well,

I have been calling it broken til today. Here is what I see.

I get zero voltage everywhere dc or ac or amps across the 5,6 wires. zero. nada.

The resistance is 3.1 ohms across the cu to FE wires or the cu itself or the fe itself. Everywhere. They are all the same amount.

There should be some difference and I am pretty sure it used to be 1.6 on the cu and higher on the fe...and way way higher on the 2 wires...

It is my #3 coil. I have used it and tested it for a while, so I have an idea what it should do. It is a very small coil but proportionately it has a large secondary. I'd guess the secondary is  more than twice the number of turns of the copper in the primary.

This coil has always given me 'strange' but good results. And even using just what still works on it, I am getting a voltage reading from one secondary to another secondary even though there is no voltage in the primary.

HOW IS IT DOING THAT?? and it has done that all along. but before there was SOME voltage in the primary.

It is this coil that makes me wonder if it really matters for us to be trying to get higher voltage for the primarys. I was getting 18millivolts dc from the 5,6 wires and 230mvdc or 300mvdc (I don't remember which now), from the secondary to the 6fe.

Now, it is from the secondary that is wound around the 6fe wire to the secondary that is wound around the primary.

This is amazing.

I don;t get this sort of thing from any other coils. I have 3 more coils with secondarys. They are all proportionately less than this one to their primarys but I get zero from all of them when I check 6FE to the secondary. They must be stepping down the ac which is possible indication that it really IS ac we have.

I won't take this coil apart, just yet. I want to make one that is as like it as possible. I think I made good notes back then... I hope.

thank you for your ideas.

jeanna

[1tesla01]

Bill,All waves are *************A.C.************ to start with.Ham Radio Hand Books is a nice place to start.Because it talks about building coils and antennas,also resonant frequency that way you will be absolutly for certin what frequency you are on.The math isnt very difficult I used to do it.It has all the formulas to determinthe resistance,reactance and capacitive reactance,Olms law and such.there was a book that had a chart by "sims"  that gives your capacitive reactance .if i rember correctly.Another book can be found at radio shack "Engineers mini-notebook"by Forest Mims on the frount in black is a free energy circuit.Antenna a coil, ground and a capacitor that is all.Where the energy comes from is no secret you can tap the ionosphere or utilize waves in the air or we call it the ambient.Tesla did this 1932 with his little black box which coined in 1998 to run the car in  Buffalo New York.He built a super hetrodine with radio active cesuim tubes "then they were called cold cathodes" (dont expect to find that much radiation in tubes today) used the radiation to help amplify the in comming radio waves.same as a *********photomultiplyer.same theory**************.also you need a good detector like germanium.There is a better detector if I remember right it is .a (substance callad triboluminesant mineral) A wave that it every where is the 408Mhz,and the (ionosphere is around 5-15 Mhz that would be the ones I would be interrested in building a power unit for the house.I am currently as the money comes building this one) and a new type, my  design homopolar generator of the third kind because it taps directly into the Eather.I will get electricity or propulsion hopefully both wont know till i test. it will be ready in 3 weeks already have most parts except the bearings.Im interrested in this coil because it is a bifilar.Spun a different way.As far as batteris go There was abunch of sandwitched aluminum sheets that absorbed electrons out of the ambient I forget the name .Was on keelynet years ago.I wanted to try this with my strawberrys.Sorry so scattered brain tonight very late for me,Im up because im in alot of physical pain because of the weather.Regards Andy "I hope something in this scribelins will help"

[resonanceman]

I got  my 3rd pancake  coil  finished

I  played  with  seeing  if it affected my other  coils

The  best numbers I got  was

.298 mA    and   .925 V DC   

That is  about half a volt  more than I was able to get with just my  first 2 coils  tonight .


Connecting them is not  straight forward

In general  it is  close to series  but  not exactly




I wound  the 3rd coil  reverse from  the other  2  .........  So  far I don't see  any difference in anything  because of the  direction of the winding ......... if  I flip  it over it is in effect wound the opposite way 


gary

[Danner]

@all,
   This link http://www.nathanstubblefield.com/contents.html provided earlier.. I had read before but looking over it again just wanted to point out a few things and ask a question.  He does list in there some wire sizes.. "No. 20 copper wire, the coil forty feet in diameter with 42 convolutions..."  "A coil as receiver of 26 ft. in diameter of No. 28 magnet wire with 40 convolutions with a double pole receiver..."  another days tests "circular coils of No. 28 magnet wire 26 ft. in diameter with forty convolutions with forty eight cell dry batteries connected in with coil and carbon ball transmitter..."  receiver "..two coils wire seven feet in diameter containing 33 convolutions each.  First coil office wire No. 20 second or top coil of No. 20 Magnet wire with two bell receivers."

Yes, I know this did not deal with earth cells.. but he may have used some of the same materials since he was using it to do the same job... i.e. transmit wirelessly.

Questions.  1.  what exactly is "office wire"?

#2.  He mentions large diameters.. but the pictures I've seen all show round antenna which are clearly much smaller than that.  Did he use larger antennas (if so are there any pictures) and if not.. was he possibly talking about the length of the wire used? 

#3.  I've done some research previously on carbon microphones and such.  Does anyone have a good explanation on how this works?  I looked for the information because of the picture I saw of NS's motor.. and it had a microphone attached to it.  Also.. some of the things I read.. I think from the Bedini site or its links.. NS talked about sound from the ground.  I was wondering if he used his voice.. or some other sound to possibly initiate or start the earth cell.. possibly by connecting the carbon mic to the coil on the outside of the bifillar earth cell.  I know the mic creates current/signals so am just trying to figure out how it all fits.

@Bill.. I was hoping to someday see the things left from what NS used myself.  I live in central IL.   Am hoping to take a vacation down that way sometime in June or July.  If yourself.. or anyone on here would like to meet up and take a day and research what we can, maybe we'll get lucky. 

Thanks.

Dan