Science contradicts itself..Questions

[Koen1]

I saw that Germany makes them look for jobs in order to receive government assistance...at least according to a news report.  Sounds like they're smart and we're stupid.  What do they do in the Netherlands?  Any incentives to go back to work?

Yep. Basically when you lose your job you get assistance to find a new one while you get some welfare, but only if you can prove you are actively applying
for jobs. If you did not have a job and are unemployed for some time, you do get welfare, but depending on the demand for labourers in the region the regional
government may demand you enlist in a work program. Also, if you ask the government for assistance in finding a job, you may not decide not to take the job.
Well, you may, but then you lose your unemployment benefits etc.
Our government used to be very liberal and social, but things have been changing for a while now...
Nevertheless, there are still quite a number of single moms that use mommying as an excuse not to have to work like any other person.
And there are still the remnants of the old hippie anticonformist culture that still think they have a right to bum around...
But the basic idea is that everyone does get some help, but we're not going to pay everything for freeloaders.

... doesn't work very well though, the biggest bunch of freeloaders is in the halls of government itself.
just like it is in every country.

Enough of the soap box, and thank you ahead of time for your thoughts and discussions, this has been very insightful to see that people across the ocean actually have some of the same concerns and ideas, (when you really get down to it).  In spite of cultural differences, even.  I appreciate your input, greatly.

Beck

Why thank you Beck, I am happy to hear you appreciated the little rant on my part,
and I am also happy to see yet another sane person in the world

[scotty1]

Hi all..
Koen....I used Ed's notes to show how the radiant pulses can work.
In Ed's work...during the time there is no pressure in the conductor the magnet particles displace themselves so that they try to line up pointing accross the conductor and not along it like they do when there is pressure.....so they turn angularly.
In most A/C it is not noticed because the pressure drops gradually..the magnets turn accross the wire....then they reverse and go the other way.
In a pulse of D/C it is different.....When the pressure is removed suddenly the coil is still full of the N/S pole magnets.
They attempt to turn accross the conductor...like fallen domino's all jumping up to a standing position at the same time....the problem is that as they do it they are still compressed in the conductor...there is no space between the domino's so they can stand up..there are too many of them.
To stand up the domino's need to spread out.
As the magnets turn...they spread out...most likely also because of an increased radius due to sudden release of push/pull force on them.
They turn and spread out so fast that a great deal of them are thrown out radially all around....
The magnets left in the wire continue turning until they flip over, and begin to run along the conductor as current...but they turned and flipped over so fast that the voltage is higher in the BEMF or CEMF or other sudden disruptive devices.
The domino's that were laying down..stood up and fell back over the other way.
Ed said that whatever kind of magnets you send out...the other kind is coming back to you.
Those magnets that are thrown (squeezed) out radially all around attract other streams from infinity...or 10 feet away...whichever is closer 
That causes a large disturbance in the force...   or the medium or aether or just the magnet streams in general....
It all happens in a very, very short time 
It's like Moray said...If you put a resiliant substance under pressure and let it loose, it can regain it's natural state, or go past that state (flip over) and go into oscillations.
Gotta go..bed time.
Scotty

[GeoscienceStudent]

Koen:

Yep. Basically when you lose your job you get assistance to find a new one while you get some welfare, but only if you can prove you are actively applying
for jobs.

We have that too, unemployment insurance but you have to have been employed for a certain amount of time and the employment has to have certain qualifications.

If you did not have a job and are unemployed for some time, you do get welfare, but depending on the demand for labourers in the region the regional
government may demand you enlist in a work program. Also, if you ask the government for assistance in finding a job, you may not decide not to take the job.
Well, you may, but then you lose your unemployment benefits etc.
Our government used to be very liberal and social, but things have been changing for a while now...

They are sounding very smart.(But do they consider prostitution a job you can't refuse?  Germany did.  )  If you quit welfare here, to go to work, you can't then quit work and get welfare again.  However;  I've seen some people "above that law."  Some even cheat, get their hand slapped, then get the benefits again, but if you're honest, forget it.  If you try to work a little because the welfare benefits are not enough to pay the bills, they will strip it all from you, even if you only make a little, less, in fact than the benefit acquired.  Say you get child care for free.  If you work, you pay, if you don't you get it for free (why moms need childcare when they don't work or go to school, I'll never know).  If you work a little more, and the child care is $500.00/month, but you can't afford it so they give you a reduced fee about $35.00 per week, and you still can't put food on the table, and you make about $100/month more, then you lose the child care, even though that doesn't add up.  A clear incentive not to work.  Don't work, you get everything.  Try to take a part-time job for minimum wage, you're stripped of everything, so many just choose not to work.  Why bother?  Free housing $800/month; free food $1000/month; Free healthcare, Insurance $360/month; Free extra money, $250-$1000 per child/month; depending on state, free child care; $500/month for two children, free transportation in some areas, free lunches for children,$15-$20 per week, some have free breakfasts; free education, $150-$350/year for books; complete grants pell and state for college, $4000/semester and sometimes more, plus they are first in line for scholarships often based on earned income which they have none; and the list goes on and on.  Work minimum wage, after taxes make only $800-$1200/month.  Figure it up.

Nevertheless, there are still quite a number of single moms that use mommying as an excuse not to have to work like any other person.
And there are still the remnants of the old hippie anticonformist culture that still think they have a right to bum around...

We have those two also...

But the basic idea is that everyone does get some help, but we're not going to pay everything for freeloaders.

... doesn't work very well though, the biggest bunch of freeloaders is in the halls of government itself.
just like it is in every country.

There is a saying...95% of the country works hard for their money...we voted for the 5% who don't and they get all the attention.

Why thank you Beck, I am happy to hear you appreciated the little rant on my part,
and I am also happy to see yet another sane person in the world

You're welcome.  The feeling is mutual, and a relief.  I saw a report last year by the UN that UK and USA ranked last in a study on care of children... Seems to me the Netherlands were first, or very close to it.  They're doing something right.  (Study included healthcare, immunizations, education, family interaction such as eating dinner together, etc.)
Goes to show you can do something that pushes people back to work and putting something back into the economy and society, and it actually will enhance their lives in a general sense.  Our recent candidates want to give Universal, healthcare, childcare, college education, $5000 at birth for nothing, and promise all kinds of things I know they can't do.  All at the expense of the taxpayer.  Thing is, we can't afford it.  Health insurance is already affordable if you shop around.  $180 per person if you get the minimum which really covers quite alot.  One already passed something called "immunizations for tots" and 32 companies quit making immunizations, the cost went through the roof for beginning doctors, (one I worked for just quit giving them)  and the problem was not solved.  The problem was:  We have not enough education programs so people know when, where, and how to get them, a way to monitor that people are immunized, and there is no way to enforce them on home-schoolers and illegal immigrants.  The problem now is the same as before but the price went up and only 3 major companies make them,  unless some more started up again since that report I saw...which is possible.  I saw reports by the CDC that after an erroneous report in 2005 they had erradicated measles, that we had an epidemic of it in my home state in 2006.  Home schoolers, I'll bet. It was a religious group and one went over seas and brought it back. 
I'm not against home schooling, I do it myself but I make sure they are up to date and offered a copy to the school when they went to trade school. 
Children of illegal immigrants do not have to present any documents in many schools and they often stay short term due to parents migrate to follow the jobs.  They are not denied full education, welfare, and healthcare benefits.  So basically 12 million people get to work, pay no taxes, get full benefits, if they want, until they are caught and sent back home.  (Oh, and credit companies made it easy for them to apply for credit, but go figure, how do they check if they have good credit with no SSN?  And how do they attach any liens or turn them over to a collection agency with no SSN and no consistant address?)  Now that is the problem Denmark dealt with.  But our problem is more citizens working the system than immigrants, for immigrants work so much they have enough to send remittances back to their families in their countries.  Some of them make around $15.00-$25.00/hr, which is the pay of the college grad.  Then 3-5 families may stay in one apartment so they live cheap.  They know how to be thrifty. 
How come our people are so lazy they won't take those jobs?   No those mom's aren't with their kids, they're busy watching "Days of Our Lives."  The kid is down the street smoking pot with a child molester who is a pimp looking for young girls or boys to work his corner, and getting shot by a drive by shooter.
Years ago when I was young,  I actually had a parent load their kids on me to feed them on pay day because they had spent their welfare check on pot and beer, and the kids were crying because they were hungry.  I should have dropped them off at the CPS.  But I fed them then put some clothes on them.(What they had on were filthy)  A total stranger,... just let their kids go with a total stranger..can you imagine? 

(rant...rant.. rant...)


I'll stop now.

Beck

[rangerover444]

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) - The grander the better ?

Science have it?s own gimmicks from time to time. This one is one of the
larger gambles ever done, in order to figure out the atom?s structure and how
the universe was created (among other new particles that most likely will be
discovered in order to justify 6 billion dollars?).

Like Edward Leedskalnin claimed and demonstrated (through $50 dollars tests),
that the North and South pole individual magnets are the building block of the
universe, together with the NPM (Neutral Particle of Matter).
Since Ed?s notes are too long to publish, I will just bring one section :

?We have North and South pole magnets, positive and negative electricity,
protons, and electrons, positrons and mesons and alpha, beta and gamma rays.
Now why such a confusion? Does nature really need so many things in the
perpetual transformation of things, on building up the matter and again taking
it into parts? I think all that nature needs is three things, the North and South
pole magnets and the neutral particles.
Each kind of those three things can act differently with different speed and
different combinations, and so they can accomplish different results. I believe
the prospective physicists first should learn what magnets and electricity are,
then they will have a sound base for their experiments and their calculations?.

If Ed was right, then all the particles that make the atoms are three types only.
When you thinks for a moment that all these new ?discovered? particles, including
the electron ( http://www.leedskalnin.net/elect-1.htm ) are nothing else but
combinations of N & S pole magnets, then a whole industry of ?inventing nature?
is being revealed in it?s naked form. 

The LHC is the next one to ?complicated life?. But this time it was built to
such an extent with such publicity, that no one will stand a chance in front of
this ?washing head machine?, that came to reinforce the fact that science was
right all along about ?how nature is complicated? and made only for scientists
who belong themselves to main-stream and able to repeat the laws of physics
even if you wake them at 3 Am?.

For some reason, there is a thread or a theme since the beginning of the industrial
revolution of ?overcoming nature? and not necessarily by sending man to the moon,
or driving a car on a gasoline engines (which belong to the ?brute power? side), but
more in the lines of ?exploring nature in the name of advanced society?, that must
be fed by science on a daily basis. In other words, we cannot say ?we don?t know
why we have rain or mountains or other phenomenas?, we have a ready made
answer, straight from Wikipedia or other sources literally on everything. The only
thing that left to discover are the Atom and heavens.

Science like many other industries (movies, cars, fashion. etc.) is under a great
pressure to feed the beast, to achieve further, to come up with new products, to
supply new inventions and to cover the bills (all this game cost, as you know?).

The LHC remind me the movie ?Titanic? for some reason (though they spent
only 1 billion on production). Same grand opening, same publicity, great expectations
(will they find the Higgs Boson , or not ?), same glamour and ?selebriticity? (the
personal involved directly w/ the project).

Think for yourself, what if Ed Leedskalnin was right ?  Then the whole stunt is
the best comedy ever made, and instead of Titanic we will get the Marx Brothers?

Enjoy the show.

[Koen1]

Sorry, but you say "What if Ed Leedskalnin was right?"...
right about what exactly?

There is very little that Ed said that is truly original.
The only thing he really says that seems to be original is his
assumption that opposing N and S monople particles flow
in opposite directions between the poles of a magnet...
And I say assumption because that's what it is: he starts out with the idea
that there must be such monopole flows, and all he does is try and create
effects which could be interpreted as something like that,
after which he jumps to the conclusion that that is obviously what is happening.
If I were to assume "elephanticity" to flow between two "poles" of a conductor,
and I manage to actually measure some form of energy flow using an inductive
device, then I could conclude the "elephanticity" I wanted to prove has now been
proven because I set out to measure it and I did, so it must exist.
But more correctly I should have adimitted that the assumed "elephanticity" is
in fact a fantasy concept which is still not proven, but rather that I merely was able
to measure some form of energy induction in my measurement device. So the
conclusion that an energy flow was measured is correct. But the conclusion that
this proves our assumed fantasy "elephanticity" is not valid.
This however appears to be what Leedskalnin did.
Besides reformulating common and known observable effects of established em theory,
and interpreting them in his own mental model of assumed and unproven monopoles,
Ed never once proves their existence nor does he show uncommon or anomalous
effects that such monopoles should or might be able to generate.

Show me a true Leedskalnin device design or circuit or other type of electrical
setup where Leedskalnins "theory" manages to generate effects that cannot be
explained and understood using electromagnetic theory, and I will reconsider my opinion.