Potential solution to Ed Gray's FE mechanism???

[mthompson]

Tao:

In your post you have touched upon some very important and fundamental concepts. I think, however, it would help to more fully develop these ideas if you were a little more precise in your use of terminology and the construction of logical sequences and relationships.

For instance, regarding terminology, I am not clear on what you mean by 'Isolated Ground'. Ground of course is another way of saying earthed, and therefore a true earthed ground can not be isolated from another as the earth is shared in common. On the other hand if you are referring instead to a return line that completes a circuit, then using the term 'ground' would not really be correct, even though it is common in motor vehicle terminology to refer to the return through the frame as the ground.

Regarding flaws in logic, most of what I see is due to apparent mis-understandings. For instance, your reference to the actual movement of electrons being a sort of Longitudinal wave effect is not correct. Electrons themselves, or what are generally referred to as electrons, move very slowly through metals - rates of millimeters per second I've read. What is actually going on is a change in electrical field potentials; and potentials can change at the speed of light, or perhaps faster, because potentials are probably related to strains in the gaseous aether. It is changes in these potentials which either create the electron phenomena as we know it, or which cause existing electrons to move in ordered flows.

Regarding the CSET acting as a capacitor: the core electrode can, as you suggest, act as a positive plate in regards to the surrounding CSET copper cylinder sheaths, but its effect would be minimal. The CSET is not designed to act as a capacitor in this manner so the electrode presents a very small surface area to the very large surrounding cylinders and they are quite far apart as far as capacitor design goes. You also have to look at the orientation of the electrical field potential: it is orientated along the axis of the electrode and the connecting path to the HV capacitor positive plate. This axial orientation will tend to focus the effects of this field on the facing spark gap surface, and not on the surrounding copper sheaths.

The CSET appears to be basically a poor man's Tesla coil of  a rather immature design which uses a form of segmented (holed) shell instead of a pancake coil secondary. Remember as Tesla experimented with the pulsed DC circuity to try and understand the mysterious exhibits of energy when large DC circuits were first switched on, he found that segmented copper cylinders seemed to attract and concentrate the energy very well. He later developed the flat pancake spiral based on these observations. Therefore the design of Gray's CSET as it appears in his patent applications seems to be at the segmented copper cylinder stage of Tesla's research; while a truly efficient evolved design would take the form of a small classic Tesla coil.

Your thoughts about the CSET acting as some sort of regular capacitor seems related to some confusion regarding what Tesla described as dynamic 'Cold' electricity, generated from the action of aether based radiant energy events, and electricity based on electro-magnetic events.

Primarily the CSET seems to perform two supplementary actions simultaneously to achieve its goal: 1) It incorporates an atmospheric electron/ion avalanche generator in its design; and 2) It uses the spike generated by this to boost the uni-directional high voltage DC pulses through a spark gap to generate bursts of radiant energy in the core electrode which can be considered the primary. It is the interaction of this radiant energy pulse with the surrounding copper sheath secondary which produces the dynamic 'Cold' electricity which energizes the circuit attached to it.

While the concept of creating electrical current by charging and discharging capacitor plates is valid, I don't know if such  currents would be 'Cold' in nature or not. An argument in favor of it would be the absence of causative magnetic influences; however, a similar absence of radiant energy would argue against it. I'd probably vote no, but its an interesting question you've raised.

One reason I thought I would respond to your post was due to your inclusion of basic Brownian movement concepts (although you didn't use that specific term), in your description of how you thought the electrons might flow due to the 'Environment'. It is interesting you did that because it is a concept of fundamental importance to understanding aetheric phenomena, but normally, in my limited experience anyway, only found in discussions among devotees of implosion technology.

Another reason is because you seem to understand that the real importance of the CSET is not so much as the energizing device for the Gray Motor, but rather as an example of devices that are capable of tapping the natural electrical energy in the environment that surrounds us constantly. armagdn03 mentions some in his reply, but I think the ones that comes closest to embodying your concepts are classic Paulson designs, which use two capacitors to produce a current as you attempted to describe. I've noticed that at times Tesla also used this design among many of the variations he employed, but Paulson used it almost exclusively.

If you are not familiar with these designs it will certainly be worth your while to research them, as aides in gaining some understanding of various methods used to vary the charge on capacitor plates. There are other designs by the way that use rotary devices that change the capacitance of the plates by varying the distance from them to another conductor. Others move the plates changing their distance from one another. In any case physical movement requires the expenditure of energy, and solid state methods that only shift the charge but don't lose it require a certain level of ingenuity not normally demonstrated on public forums.

Since the basic concepts have been in the public domain for quite some time, about the only reason I can think of why DIY kits and plans are not available and widely discussed is because those who understand how to construct such devices don't advertise the fact.

[fletchdaf]

attached file contains a basic experiment concerning ...

kaRLfunkel, do you have it in English?

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[sm0ky2]

i guess its time for a little smokyism here...

when you charge the (left) plate - to 5Kv (current is dependent upon the mass of the plate) this induces an equal and opposite charge on the (right) plate.

now, to discharge the (left) plate - creates an imbalanced charge on one plate, which does not completely dissapate through the load circuit - but rather induces another charge on the (left) plate, a % of the 5Kv - at a time constant of the dissipation of the plate on the (right). i say time constant because it does not dissapate instantly, but rather at a fraction of the speed of light (based on the resistance of the load circuit). The same would apply to the (left) plate, since you cannot dischage that instantly either.

do not forget that that a -5Kv has a similar but opposite effect as a +5Kv with respect to the alternate plate.

this induction not only affects the current flow through the load, but also the voltage. If this is done repeatedly, there will be considerable heat build-up on both plates as well as the load circuit.


one solution to this problem is to completely insulate (isolate) the (left) plate from the surrounding environment.
so as to not allow this induction to occur.