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Young Bangladeshi Scientist's success story Power generation without fuel

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Grumpy

Quote from: pennies_everywhere on June 24, 2008, 03:41:27 PM
@Grumpy, you are stuck in a pointless loop.  It is not necessary to answer an existential question in order to record what we observe.  To date we observe CoE.  When you or anyone else obtains credible verifiable evidence otherwise, call a press conference and get ready for that trip to Sweden.


Your clever attempt to dodge this question is a futile attempt to hide the emptiness of your endless banter.  To admit energy "conversion" or "creation" would nullify your reasons for existence and result in your successful suicide.

Come on now.  Let's at least discuss the question before casting it aside.

If energy can not be created, then all the energy in the universe must have been "converted" from some other form of energy - correct?
It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
                                                                                                                                    -Frank Edwards

Grumpy

Noether's Theorem

The conservation of energy is a common feature in many physical theories. It is understood as a consequence of Noether's theorem, which states every symmetry of a physical theory has an associated conserved quantity; if the theory's symmetry is time invariance then the conserved quantity is called "energy". In other words, if the theory is invariant under the continuous symmetry of time translation then its energy (which is canonical conjugate quantity to time) is conserved. Conversely, theories which are not invariant under shifts in time (for example, systems with time dependent potential energy) do not exhibit conservation of energy -- unless we consider them to exchange energy with another, external system so that the theory of the enlarged system becomes time invariant again. Since any time-varying theory can be embedded within a time-invariant meta-theory energy conservation can always be recovered by a suitable re-definition of what energy is. Thus conservation of energy is valid in all modern physical theories, such as special and general relativity and quantum theory (including QED).

To Hell with CoE.  Change the rate of entropy (what we call time) and you're not breaking the rules.
It is the men of insight and the men of unobstructed vision of every generation who are able to lead us through the quagmire of a in-a-rut thinking. It is the men of imagination who are able to see relationships which escape the casual observer. It remains for the men of intuition to seek answers while others avoid even the question.
                                                                                                                                    -Frank Edwards

pennies_everywhere

jibbguy there is no energy imbalance compressing a gas.  Energy goes into the compressing mechanism, some converts to heat, some converts to potential energy in increased pressure of the compressed volume.  It all balances out.

If you don't realize that an antenna is a coupler, that is just another topic you are lost on.


Quote from: jibbguy on June 24, 2008, 04:16:43 PM
Sidestepping and straw-men seem to be your strong suits (...besides using denigration, scorn, and personal attack for those same reasons) . Lets see some actual answers. Don't worry we wont scorn you for using too many words: Actual answers require them.

Questions you have inartistically avoided:

1. Where is the actual link between Ideal Gas Law and CoE in regards to the heat energy created by compression of air (or give up on that non-hunting dog and come up with another one if you think it will help explain the created energy in terms of the First Law).

2. What do underground antennae have to do with coupling.

The U.S. Navy is involved with a lot of things that are not fully understood by mainstream science. They, like us all, are controlled by the laws of gravity; for starters ;) 

pennies_everywhere

@Grumpy your question is irrelevant to CoE.  Until you can show evidence of CoE violation, CoE holds.  End of Story.


Quote from: Grumpy on June 24, 2008, 04:26:28 PM
Your clever attempt to dodge this question is a futile attempt to hide the emptiness of your endless banter.  To admit energy "conversion" or "creation" would nullify your reasons for existence and result in your successful suicide.

Come on now.  Let's at least discuss the question before casting it aside.

If energy can not be created, then all the energy in the universe must have been "converted" from some other form of energy - correct?

pennies_everywhere

@Grumpy if you want to have long philosophical discussions on Noether's Theorem and whether it implies that there might be a way to violate CoE, then I think the Steorn Forums are the place for you.  Of course you'll want to decide whether Steorn's never seen free energy machine works by the static path some magnets follow around a closed path as first claimed, or works by waving magnets back and forth at different speeds as they later claimed, or only works when there isn't much energy around as they claimed after their failed demonstration. 

Quote from: Grumpy on June 24, 2008, 04:51:44 PM
Noether's Theorem

The conservation of energy is a common feature in many physical theories. It is understood as a consequence of Noether's theorem, which states every symmetry of a physical theory has an associated conserved quantity; if the theory's symmetry is time invariance then the conserved quantity is called "energy". In other words, if the theory is invariant under the continuous symmetry of time translation then its energy (which is canonical conjugate quantity to time) is conserved. Conversely, theories which are not invariant under shifts in time (for example, systems with time dependent potential energy) do not exhibit conservation of energy -- unless we consider them to exchange energy with another, external system so that the theory of the enlarged system becomes time invariant again. Since any time-varying theory can be embedded within a time-invariant meta-theory energy conservation can always be recovered by a suitable re-definition of what energy is. Thus conservation of energy is valid in all modern physical theories, such as special and general relativity and quantum theory (including QED).

To Hell with CoE.  Change the rate of entropy (what we call time) and you're not breaking the rules.