Roll on the 20th June

[mango tarbash]

Keep coming back Archer!

Ignore the conceited slime that slither and coil about your ankles here. They're in their element - it's their own repulsive nature. True - they would make a faeces-slurping maggot's stomach churn over, but such is the upward struggle for all would be pioneers who simply have to do it "There way."

When you show this system (and it's already beginning to make sense even to the lowliest of proles such as myself) defying the constaints of their apparently unsurmountable math laws the scales will fall from many people's eyes and you will have endured to the end. Their end, our beginning. And they cannot have this. Never! Sometimes conceding a little ground in friendly banter, sometimes resorting to caustic sarcasm, sometimes putting forward their own dead-end theories, but always keeping the water as murky and confusing as possible. They cannot be appeased. They have way to much to lose - and you, I and every other person with a drop of God-given discernment can recognise their game.

Save time - don't reply to these dead weights. I'm all for giving you the benefit of the doubt and so are many others here. Keep us informed - I'm primed myself.

I have to say, no amount of free or bought energy could lift these smug dead-weights though!

[badassdjbynight]

Archer/Chet.. the back on track thing was not so we could get back on track attacking you... it was a request to squelch some of the frivolous hating.

exxcomm0n, for the record I would be completely satisfied to trust your findings if you were to go to Archer's place to see his machines.

Archer.. if you need help with the video or posting it please PM me and I will help in any way I can.  I can create an FTP site and convert and post on youtube.  One certain truth is that you can not stop a video once it is placed on the net.  It is impossible to make it go away.  Well.. unless it's a boring video and no one watches it.  But if it's got YOUR name on it believe me it will be copied to 10,000 different computers in a matter of hours.

back to excomm0n... I was looking at your wheel progress.  I know the problem with the magnets and I've been contemplating how to show/prove my explanation.  At the end of your latest video I saw you spin the wheel and it turns a bit and you say something like "so you can see that it turns for a bit" or something like that.  (I don't have the video open at the moment so I'm going off of memory)  Then at the very end of the video you can see that the wheel BOUNCES against the opposing magnets several times... like it's hitting a spring.

Was it your wheel or someone else that said their axel broke?  Had it glued together the first time around?  Think of this... and there's no math in this example, just an experiment.  I looked around my house and don't have any magnets or I would video it and post it.  Anyway, glue or fix one magnet to a table or to a surface, or hold it in a vice.. something like that.  The second one glue to a stick so that the opposing pole will face down.  For an ideal experiment attach the stick to a string and hold it above the magnet on the table.. what happens?  Allow the top magnet to swing towards the bottom one... what happens?

(btw the reason for the stick and not just hanging by a string is that for this experiment we need to prevent the top magnet from flipping over.)

The top one is NOT lifted up at all.  It diverts AROUND the bottom one.  If the top one is suspended above the bottom one it will spin circles around the bottom one before it will enter into the opposing magnetic field.  Try even lowering it directly towards the bottom magnet.  It does not hover it will avoid the repel field and again circle around it.

My point is this: when your spoke with the negative pole heads towards the 7:00 magnet's negative pole - it will do work to try to avoid entering the field.  Because the magnets are basically on a collision course for each other they will repel.. and that repelling force happens in 3D space, not in 2D.  Meaning that the spoke is going to be pushed out or in as well as up.. in fact MORE than up.

You see, there is no force given off by a magnet that is sitting alone on the table.  This is unlike gravity which is a constant force that is there all the time.  Force is only seen when two magnets are in proximity to one another, or when you have one in proximity to some metal.  (I am simplifying - but this is mostly true).  I tried finding equations to calculate this force and it gets VERY complicated because there are too many variables.  One extremely complicated variable is the 3-dimensional spacial relationship between the two magnets including the angles at which the poles face each other.  This is assuming the variable of the strength of the magnet is known or has been measured.

So consider this.. and I'm speaking to the guys who have actually built a wheel - because they can test it and get back to us... talking only about the opposing magnets for a second (not the upper attracting ones)... since no force is there until they come in proximity with each other, what is the difference between using magnets to try to raise the weighted spoke and just raising it mechanically?

What I mean is... say that instead of using magnets to lift the poles you just had a piece of glass there to lift it as it rotated.  Does your common sense tell you that this would work or not work to lift the pole?  Can you try it for us?  Obviously there is a difference in terms of friction.  But even if you could lube it enough to completely remove friction.. what would the wheel do as you spin it?

I THINK the glass would repel your spoke (pole) when it hit it as well - similar to the magnet.  And if the wheel continued to spin from momentum it would lift the pole up offsetting the weight and causing the wheel to spin more.  And if the initial hand spin was hard enough (like how you spun your wheel in that last video) it would probably rotate a few times and then eventually it would bounce off the glass.  It is NOT exactly the same, but is similar.

Now.. this does not take into account the upper attracting magnets, which is certainly helping your wheel to spin.  But that is a different post.


Honestly, exxcomm0n and CLanZer, this post is NOT meant as an attack or a slight.  I honestly want your opinion as guys who actually build something.

[roadstar31148]

archer,,,,,just like mango said ,,,ignore these people,,,i also have done many things that 'the experts'said where not possible,,,

[spinner]

Keep coming back Archer!

Ignore the conceited slime that slither and coil about your ankles here. They're in their element - it's their own repulsive nature. True - they would make a faeces-slurping maggot's stomach churn over, but such is the upward struggle for all would be pioneers who simply have to do it "There way."

When you show this system (and it's already beginning to make sense even to the lowliest of proles such as myself) defying the constaints of their apparently unsurmountable math laws the scales will fall from many people's eyes and you will have endured to the end. Their end, our beginning. And they cannot have this. Never! Sometimes conceding a little ground in friendly banter, sometimes resorting to caustic sarcasm, sometimes putting forward their own dead-end theories, but always keeping the water as murky and confusing as possible. They cannot be appeased. They have way to much to lose - and you, I and every other person with a drop of God-given discernment can recognise their game.

Save time - don't reply to these dead weights. I'm all for giving you the benefit of the doubt and so are many others here. Keep us informed - I'm primed myself.

I have to say, no amount of free or bought energy could lift these smug dead-weights though!

Uau, what an intelligence!
Mango, I suggest that you stop filling the petrol in your scooter.. As a protest towards the filthy old world.
You're the 'smug dead-weight', lol...

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi ex, trying to upload vids to utube as we speak, not sure if it will take them at the size they are, you can put the engine on there also, an if dusty is having trouble show him the other arc section. just one should do if he needs more weight.

didnt realize i sound like my dad on the vid. now thers a hero for you, two tours with AATTV, MBE, and has the same fuck it let's do it anyway attitude. He thinks he has PTSS from the war coz he looses him temper easily now, sorry dad, it runs in the family

Hi All
This sounds like what I said Dusty the magnets are to strong so you need more weight but then the wieght will be to heavy so you will need stronger magnets and so on it goes.
Take Care All
Graham