Roll on the 20th June

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi Sm0ky2
I respect you mate but I can't see the test you told me to do will show anything in fact besides the test I showed I can't see any test being able to show the difference in strength because your trying to test two opposites maybe a force meter could show the difference if a force meter goes both ways because you would have to push the repelling magnet in and let the attracting pull in, to be honest I can't see how you can test there difference between the two strengths, my test shows the flux lines reach out the same distance so they start the same strength, why I wouldn't trust the test you talked about is a few reasons first you have to use non magnetic wieghts so they will have to be tied or clued to the attracting magnet and this may distort the test, second you need to hold or place a magnet on some plateform one of the magnets for the attracting and repelling test which means you can again distort the test and third attracting magnets when together are bonded so they are at there strongest where repelling magnets never get to there strongest because they will always be some air gap between the two magnets no matter how much weight you put on it, I could be wrong there and I will except it if I'm shown to be wrong on the third point.
Take Care Sm0ky2
Graham

[helmut]

Hello All,

Here is a quick animation (a crappy one but one none the less) of what I think is going on. I have included only one tube, rod, & magnet for ease of a quick animation. The bottom magnet is the electro magnet. Its like a hamster running in one of those round hamster cages. The main wheel being the cage and the rods, tubes and magnets the hamster running up the one side spinning the wheel.
... I think I'll make a better animation if time permits.

@1ll3r
Nice Animation!
This is a good start into the world of fiction.
But now, reality hits fiction. Please do yourselve a favour and tak some Magnets and do a simulation with real working and acting components.
You will see the fieldlines move as a gang of wild children.
Difficult to catch and guide.
You and everyone,who is playing with this,will see the backfacing statormagnets interact with the
frontfacing Rotormagnets,and this cause a stiky point.
Because there is no schielding involved.

Your animation is well done,and i hope you will stay with us.
Animation and Fiction mast work hand in hand.

helmut

[Morgenster]

Hello All,

Here is a quick animation (a crappy one but one none the less) of what I think is going on. I have included only one tube, rod, & magnet for ease of a quick animation. The bottom magnet is the electro magnet. Its like a hamster running in one of those round hamster cages. The main wheel being the cage and the rods, tubes and magnets the hamster running up the one side spinning the wheel.
... I think I'll make a better animation if time permits.

Based on this animation I would say the system can't work, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
Here's some thoughts I have on what difficulties may arise in the calibration of this wheel:
1) if the upper magnet is arch-shaped or whatever shape but large enough the magnet on the rod will experience attraction to its center. This will likely extend the arm on the rod. However, the attraction will also be there once the magnet on the rod passes the center and it will be pulled back up to the center. That's one problem.
2) The lower electromagnet will not only have to contend with the force required to push the magnet on the rod back into the arm but also with the imparted centrifugal force of the turning motion. That's problem two.

So I think it would be very interesting to know the exact sizes, strengths and shapes of the magnets and weights involved because the above mentioned reservations should make clear that if the magnets are too strong or too weak the machine will just lock up or do nothing.
Heck, maybe it doesn't even matter at all and the device will work anyway.

[Thaelin]

Hi all:
   I have never had any kind of interest in "gravity wheels" per se. Some really neat designs out there and some that you look at and think that should really work. But they dont in the end. I bring to mind the Chase Camble wheel. I dont see it happening due to mechanical problems. Poor guy got a real beating over it.
   Now.....  on to the wheel at hand. This damn thing has me dreaming of it. The interesting part is, I fully believe the guy has given up all that is needed to replicate it. You have to draw it out and then stare at it a while. That is when the realization will hit you. As you are getting ready to elevate the arm from seven to one, look at the other side of the equasion. There are two arms with weights on the way down. Two to one hit. Wheel in motion has centrifugal force throwing the weight outward. I just could not see how to keep the weight in the moved position once done. Its already there in the line above. Go get on a merry go round and stand on the middle while in motion. Some force. At the edge, more force.
   Has anyone here considered an all mechanical way to move the weight? My take here is there is as much weight as you can put inside the tubes and still keep a space between so as to be able to over balance one side when shifted. Just look at the size of the spindle he is going to use, from a car front end. I have thought of using a skate wheel on the ends and a small short ramp to shift it over. I considered using a magnet block but what if it didn't slide, wham and you just broke something. I believe in keeping things simple as possible, less to brake.
   I intend on making three flat bar sliders from aluminum  and then having slide bars on the ends to see what happens. Shouldn't cost too much to make it and then maybe I can get a bit more sleep. 

thaelin

[M@rcel]

Nice animation. 

What would happen if the (electro-) magnets were placed at 3:00 and 9:00? Then the magnets wouldn't have to fight gravity to push/pull the rod up, but only to the right. Depending on construction a rod-shift-location somewhere between 12:01 and 3:00 might be best?

Edit: With "not fighting gravity", I meant that the magnets are not responsible for increasing the potential energy of the rod. They only need to shift the mass (= rod) horizontally to the right