Roll on the 20th June

[Bobbotov]

Whoah Gentlemen, hold your horses for a second.

This thread is turning into open warfare. Threats to a person's liberty and privacy have no place here. This is NOT a public forum. It is Stefan's forum.

Hans von Lieven

I disagree. It is a Public forum regardless of who runs it. All forums/websites are run by someone and that is not the criteria for private in itself. As far as I know anyone can join the forum so it is not exclusive by any means. And part and parcel with Public forums are differences of opinion that can escalate to real pissing contests. Such is the nature of a free and open Internet. Also the owner of the site is not responsible for actions taken by members off of the site they are responsible for (YouTube for example). They are if the conflict spills over onto their website. How they choose to handle it is up to them.

Most Public websites that have encountered severe conflict amongst members moderate the posts before they are displayed to eradicate such conflicts. Death threats, threats of legal action and exposing privacy are the bane of forums and have been since the days of ALT bulletin boards.

Now, it may be common sense to refrain from any of the activities construed as going over the top but unless the forum owners step in and take action the chance of open warfare is always a distinct possibility. The owner can always ban a problem poster or curtail their IP at their discretion if things get out of hand.

[johnagain]

The top of the morning to all of you.

What is at stake here ???

Most people would agree that there are possibly up to a hundred working wheels out there

All different shapes and sizes with many variations in the way they work

These are well hidden with their inventors in fear of their lives

Is there good reason for this???  I refer to this fear.

Most of the serious machines that have come to the surface are either too expensive to be available to do any good or have disappeared

Many countries could have released some of these devices why not???

Is there a country on this planet that monitors 19,000,000.visits  of  ET Craft. ??? each year

Is there a country that has organised the machinery and buildings and equipment and transport to massacre its citizens on a scale that  makes Hitler look like an Alter boy???

Is there an Organisation that is out to destroy Free Energy???

For the record this is fiction isn?t it ! ???.

Archers wheel is not fiction and many have not given up on him or his wheel he is trying give him a go. If he were to fail so what!. 

You would have the knowledge that you have helped feed him and his family and others associated with him only good can come of it

The discussion has brought other wheels to the fore and much good will come of this.

Archer is right in what he says that free energy devices are to be given freely to the people 

In all his communications this seems to be one of his major Objectives.

I look forward to the time I get in a car or turn on the computer and do not have to pay people who have no need for money any more they have it all.

You cannot build a wheel on an empty stomach.

We are all different and believe in different things

I am sure we all would like all people to live in hamony  peace and wellbeing 

I would shout

?DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE DONE UNTO YOURSELF?

Roll on the 20th

Good can be done on the 20th of every month any month this or a future one

All the best john

[ChrisBLong]

Hello all,

I've been lurking on this thread for a few weeks and decided to add my thoughts.  PurePower is getting a lot of stick, mainly because he says that Quinn's devices won't work.  Some of you are urging him to keep his opinions to himself, arguing that you should be allowed to continue believing whatever you like.  That may be true, but I think it's important for people like PurePower (and now me) to speak up for the other side of the debate.  The inconvenient truth is that there is no free energy to be had from gravity wheels, magnetic wheels, grav-mag wheels, or levers.  You may of course continue to believe that there is, but you will be wasting your time.  It's important to know that.

The orthodoxy that you're trying to overturn is that gravity and magnetism are conservative forces.  To overturn that orthodoxy, you don't need to build a free energy device, you simply need to demonstrate any configuration of weights or magnets that breaks the known rules.  None of you has even tried to do this.

The "tri-gates" are a good example.  A poster above has repeatedly said that the repulsion entering the gate appears to be exactly equal to the "kick" on leaving the gate.  YES, IT IS - that is exactly what is meant by a conservative force, and that's why you can't extract energy from the gate.

On Quinn's 'public release page', he "acknowledge(s) magnets are simply stored energy like a 20 year battery".  NO THEY'RE NOT - again, no need to build a free energy machine, simply demonstrate any configuration of magnets that extracts any of this alleged "stored energy".  This has NEVER BEEN DONE.  Regardless of how much you wish this to be true, there is absolutely no reason to believe that it is.

Life's a bitch, I know.

Chris.

[beetlejuice]

The inconvenient truth is that there is no free energy to be had from gravity wheels, magnetic wheels, grav-mag wheels, or levers.  You may of course continue to believe that there is, but you will be wasting your time.  It's important to know that.

Hey Chris, not saying you're wrong and not saying you're right. I will, however, post some quotes I read a while back (I'm not guaranteeing their authenticity but I'd bet a few are accurate)

"...no possible combination of known substances, known forms of machinery, and known forms of force, can be united in a practical machine by which man shall fly long distances through the air..."
- Simon Newcomb (1835-1909), astronomer,
head of the U.S. Naval Observatory

"Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible."
- Lord Kelvin (1824-1907)
British mathematician and physicist

"Rail travel at high speed is not possible because passengers, unable to breathe, would die of asphyxia."
- Dr. Dionysus Lardner (1793-1859)
Professor of Natural Philosophy and Astronomy

"We have reached the limits of what is possible with computers."
- John Von Neumann, 1949

By the way, these quotes aren't meant to support a standing of belief in free energy, just a belief that a closed mind is not the mind of a true scientist.

[shakman]

@Chris, thanks for your input.

I think what you are missing is the fact that some people (like me) are annoyed that certain other people are only on this thread to point out that Archer will fail and anyone who wants to support him is wasting their time, and not to provide any positive or factual input (even if this was their original reason for joining this thread).

I can't see the point of anyone who says we're "wasting our time". You could say that drinking beer (or any other poison of choice) is a waste of time. What is there to gain (except some weight and a few random drunken injuries)? But plenty of people still do it (including... errr... especially me). Why? Because we want to. Because we enjoy it, regardless of the health warnings. So there is some satisfaction gained, regardless of any other negative factors or warning. And a few lessons can be learnt along the way (like trying to do a handstand on a barstool will almost certainly end in tragedy). Same goes for Archer's wheel. Regardless of whether it works out or not, I will not consider my time wasted.

If you are here just to say "Archer's going to fail" or "it can't work" then why don't you stop distract people who are trying to make this work. You are most certainly entitled to your opinion, and this is a public forum, but all you are doing is creating debate where neither side is going to change their argument or opinion until Archer proves us wrong... or not. Like it or not. So if anyone is wasting their time, it's the people who can't see this working in any way, shape or form who are following this thread (at 87 pages, that's a bit of time wasted).

Archer is building. Some others are replicating. We are arguing. Let's give the floor back to the people actually working on this and try to help them with constructive input.

I will note also that Batman is building. He should also have his own place to demonstrate. Kudos to Batman also.

I know this has already been said by Hans many times and I am being slightly hypocritical but this has to end somewhere.

I can only assume that some people are going out of their way to create arguments and get this thread locked. As such, this will be the last time I respond to any negative posts. I urge anyone else who wants this thread to remain open, regardless of which "side" you are on, to also ignore posts where the only aim is to get a bite out of someone. If you want to take a pot shot at me, now's the time. My eyes are closed.