Roll on the 20th June

[LarryC]

@All,


I was able to set up the test unit to see if the wall buster design (explained in post #3420) would work correctly. My latest testing shows that this design can break two walls concurrently every time.

The rods are in attraction to the neo magnets at a distance of 7MM. The rods are each shifted 19MM as established in previous testing using push pull magnet setup. 

Unit before inside wall release - The lever is being held up at horizontal, because the two inner walls cannot support it at horizontal.

Unit after inside wall release - After release, the lever dropped down to 7 and ended up vertical.

Outside wall - The unit has one inside wall and one outside wall. The outside wall magnet is behind the little white piece of plastic that I am holding. The outside wall attraction along is enough to keep the lever horizontal.

Close up of inside walls - Look closely at the front center to see the neo taped to the left of the center rod and a neo taped to the right of the two short white posts holding both rods in attraction. They cannot maintain the lever horizontal because of the leverage.


I don't know if I can build the real wall buster design with my setup, but if any of you with more capable setups are having problems with the walls, try it out, it makes a major difference.


Regards, Larry

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi Fletcher
No I don't need to find a bullet-proof way to identify & demonstrate the possibilities, if I did I would be doing the tests you talked about but its not that important to me to prove it one way or the other for one person.
To me the Trigate is just a leaning tool for not only newbees to magnetics but also the scientific sector, it shows how its posible to move into and out off a permanent magnetic array and if moving a load from A to B is doing work it also shows that magnets do do work.
If people need tests to show those things then they can do them because I have no need to prove it to me or anyone else and if I have no need to prove anything to anybody why would I take hours away from other things to do tests, accept what I say or reject what I say it really means nothing to me.
The only reason I stepped up was someone made a wrong statement about what I designed and I wanted to correct it and that statement was repel in was the same as repel out, I told them that repel in was further from the roller magnet then repel out so how could they be the same when we know the force is stronger the closer you are to the stator magnet.
Take Care Fletcher
Graham

[Thaelin]

Hey all:
   Well, I can warn anyone here that using a car alternator is a no no. Right from the rebuilder, it takes one hp per five amps.
It takes five amps to power the field coil and also must be driven at 1800rpm to see much of any output from it.
   So have wound up a windmill style three phase gen head with 1" neos on it. Much better and I can tune the slugs for the amount of drag I feel is acceptable as well.

thaelin

[fletcher]

Ok rusty .. I get your drift.

I would say however that the truck moving from A to B thru the array is not doing work - my reasoning is this.

In a gravity field you lift a weight up [giving it Pe i.e. you did the work, not the weight] - you release it & it falls in the gravitational field until it no longer has Pe - in order for gravity to not be conservative the weight would have to return to its same height to replenish its Pe, without outside or another force, assistance.

To my way of thinking the same applies to a magnetic gate/array, except it is a horizontal analogy of a gravity field - you place a weight [able to roll] at one end & it has Pe [you did the work] - you release the weight & it moves thru the array or gate using up that Pe, until it exits the array - N.B. the weight/rotor doesn't continually oscillate back & forth thru the array forever under its own steam - in fact, it goes one way then must be manually positioned to go back the other way i.e. have its Pe replenished - so in that example it is conservative like gravity IMO - if it could be looped back on itself so it could go around & around [like the Finistrud (sp) device ?] then it would be replenishing its own Pe [without external assistance] each revolution, & it would gain speed & momentum if there was excess velocity available, then it could be classified as doing work, IMO.

Take care also.

[LarryC]

@Graham,

I respect your work and have tested, but your discusion with fletcher here is way off topic. Would you mind moving it over to pp's new site. Sorry, but I think fletcher is using you to create distraction.

Thanks, Larry