Roll on the 20th June

[AB Hammer]

@legendre

You asked (What type of measurement system are you currently using to study your gravity wheels?)

I am a blacksmith and not high tech. I show something like Bessler and in this case only time.

I guess I should of also stated in the test without the arm weight, I spun it as hard as I could and it only ran for 2 1/2 minutes so there is something there to look at. But in my opinion is only a toy, but a toy to take notes about.

[Sprocket]

Well sprocket - I think you make a valid point - no one's gravity driven OU device [if it were possible] would be quite as valuable tommorrow if quinn could produce the goods the day before - economic theory of supply & demand coupled with absolute uniqueness - as for, is AB Hammer anymore pissed than anyone else ? - it could be that he just sees his wheel as having far greater potential for useful power output, for size & resources, than quinns, which he appears to have relegated to fairly inconsequential 'toy' status but obviously believes in - me, I'd be well pleased just to have a 'toy' that was able to be given a starting impulse & see it accelerate & maintain a higher RPM, especially if it were intermittently braked, robbing it of momentum, so that it could speed up again - it wouldn't worry me if the POP couldn't immediately put out at least 1 kw [like the Aero/Orion challenge requires] - plenty of time to improve it by better engineering practices &/or scale, so something such as quinns or AB's 'toy' would be just fine for starters.

Personally, I am non-plussed as to who makes this info available.  Unfortunately AB Hammer has already posted 'teasers' on this thread.  He is also on record as saying that he is more concerned about his retirement-plan than the state of the world (paraphrasing, but only just...).  So imo, he either craves attention, or he is annoyed that his patents may prove worthless if FE info is made freely available.

Also note that on at least half a dozen occasions when Alexioco seemed to be 'on-a-roll' Bessler-wise, AB repeatedly posted, suggesting that Alex PM him for 'help'.  When Alex didn't take him up on his offer, he resorted to PM'ing Alex instead.  Now if this 'help' was to be unconditional, AB should rightly be applauded, however, everything suggests otherwise - more likely, he wanted to know how far Alex had got, and if he looked as if he was 'almost-there', AB would have provided 'help' but with a non-disclosure price.

Lots of presuming on my part, but given that most of AB's 'disclosure' postings have been about his wheels that didn't work, coupled with his statement about not releasing any info till he has his oh-so-precious patents, I reckon I am pretty much on the mark! 

[legendre]

I guess I should of also stated in the test without the arm weight, I spun it as hard as I could and it only ran for 2 1/2 minutes so there is something there to look at. But in my opinion is only a toy, but a toy to take notes about.

So in the instance where the additional mass is present (arm weight), the wheel runs longer.

Why are you even considering an OU effect, when you haven't eliminated the increased mass alone as a factor? It may simply be a matter of the additional mass making the wheel a more effective workload for your arm.. remember, your arm can produce a great deal of torque on the wheel, but it can only move so fast.

-L

[Glassglue]

Well I took a very nice weekend off from this lil fantasy land you are running here and have only skimmed the 3-4 pages of crap that have accumulated since.  It appears not much is new, except that apparently we are now impugning the reputation of siphons as well.  I have used siphons a lot in my life volunteering at a public aquarium and found them to be nothing but fine upstanding strictly newtonian citizens who show virtually no OU tendencies whatsoever regardles of how I sometimes hoped for it.

Anyway, I'm not going to rejoin the futile fray, but I have considered the man Archer over the past couple of days and come to the conclusion that he is, very likely, a con artist.

Based on how consistently he twists logic and math in just the right way to support his desired outcomes, my conclusion is that the intent is malicious.  The 'maths' provided with the self-teetering-totter was the main clue.  The language was carefully massaged to mislead.  I believe this had to be intentional.  There have also been just blatant lies thrown in such as the unsubstatiated claim of a previous working wheel and the ludicrous statement that he has some team of engineers standing by to replicate his work or something...

Why would he do this?  Well I don't have a criminal mind so I am not the best to speculate.  However he has clearly convinced more than a few innocent, ignorant, and lazy-ass souls here (probably more than we know) that his intention is really nothing less than to save mankind.  Besides being disarmingly altruistic it is also megalomaniacal, egotistical, and yeah, narcissistic too (since he seems to approve of that one in particular).  So I don't want to discount the psychotic factor here either.  While he innocently claims that he asks for no money, he also has been sure to mention, and been helped by the likes of me reinforcing the statement, that he is a poor bloke, unable to spend enough time and money on his inventions that will *sniff* save mankind.  He even had to return to a menial job (!) to keep this going.

Anyway, so we have a guy who is nothing less than the saviour of the world to quite a few people, who clearly could use some cash to help save us from ourselves.  My strong guess is that he doesn't have to ask for any money - his disciples (Hello?  Chet?) will send it anyway.  These people by their nature are immune to logic and are much more interested in following a messiah than in checking his credentials, so the efforts by me and others (although they, once again, have been fun) only play into his game by martyring him.

The more I think and type, the more convinced I am that this is the basic situation.  This is not a new type of scam.  But fools and their money ... lol.  And as Darwin points out, nature has ways of sorting these things out.  Also remember that tin foil hats need to be replaced every hour cause their magic wears out quickly!

[mango tarbash]

Well we'll soon find out won't we? So maybe even a smug, hyper-whining scrotum limpet like yourself should give it a rest until then? There's no purpose in harrassing somebody who literally puts their money where their mouth is, other than to prevent that person coming up trumps.

I could understand the flak after the 20th - but before? Something stinks around here and it isn't Archer's boasting.

So for now maybe just snog and hump your mirror for a couple of weeks, make your excuses in casualty and then slither on back after the 20th.