Roll on the 20th June

[WilbyInebriated]

@Wilby / @Larry

You should both watch this clip and lighten up a bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JfMCBh1sJQ

I must say, as opposed as I am to all the non-constructive content on this thread, it is fun to read (and contribute to) all the bickering.
I really think we need a new thread, either for the bickering and sledging or for constructive posts, just to try to seperate the two.

i know you, you're the fuck you guy... 
eddie is great, i used to sit around with radiant larry's mom in the trailer park drinking her shaefer's beer and watching that on the vcr, she said goonie fucking goo goo.

[RadiantLarry]

No, Im not leaving, wannabe drunk. Yawn.

Judging from the peoples reactions to you on this board, I certainly dont need to add anything. So Im not going to anymore. Apparently you will not get the ego boost you so desperately came here for.
Now I am done with wannabe. See how easy it is to take control away from him?
Now,
I am hopeful that the outcome to this thread is positive, or that some saner heads can get together and make something useful from this.

[exxcomm0n]

I hope this wasnt the nature of your response, but you really seem to be arguing with my suggestions.

EDIT
I was addressing the "cart before the horse" analogy.

I started by asking about power storage.

I was NOT just pointing to FE output potential, you're right.
I was pointing out that I couldn't clearly see the point where "unit" was FE device or battery.
EDIT
Pure, I'm not your enemy here (I think we both comfortably came to that realization) and perhaps there is just a misunderstanding of content.

I'm harping about batteries providing the same type of benefit for energy production as cruise control does for transportation.

Constant steady output that normalizes throttle fluctuation and saves potential.

I know storage systems are needed for solar and wind when the energy available changes, but I thought we were strictly talking FE, where the energy is free and constant.

Nope.

I was backsliding into rationality with my question and not limiting it to FE generation.

Although, if the form factor between battery and generation device is comparable (like a TPU) then a battery is redundant (except for the initial power input I see them talking about).

And the small generator idea... I think you took "an AC outlet" as "a single AC outlet." Of course if the power is available for more, why not?

Too true.

But I pointed out that convenience is a major factor and generators aren't necessarily seen as convenient by many.

We both still have to admit we live in a "buy, use up, throw away, but another" society and if batteries were that way, I'd be one of those old guys on a bicycle cleaning up ditches and donating the "aluminum cans" batteries to a charitable cause.

But if they were re-usable, I doubt many would end up in the ditch.
But I've been surprised by society's choices before.

"Now you're using the grid as a battery, dude."

I know, reread my post and you will see I explain this:

Ya huh, I do.

But I was pointing out that even THEY need good batteries.

I've worked for a power generating company. I know how they serve supply and demand by throttling the output and always have to run at a surplus that is usually wasted.

I agree with you on the batteries. A large capacity, quickly charging battery with no memory effect would be PERFECT. I thought this went without saying, and you wanted to discuss other possibilities/applications of excess FE.

Sorry bud.

You know me (and my peculiar thought processes) by now.

I think PRESENT methods need a good kick in the efficiency "ass" too, as well as hoping science (or lack thereof) can ride in like a knight on a white horse and save the day.

I love the idea of FE, but I live in the same world as you and the electricity that powers my monitor comes from coal fire and nuclear (I worked at that plant too as a consultant, until i failed the drug test. Now I have to have verifiable counseling  to work there again, even though I was highly sought after for the concurrent gig after the 1st one.) that is not being used completely.

As far as batteries go...

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=7033406.PN.&OS=PN/7033406&RS=PN/7033406

-PurePower

Yes, I alluded to them.

I'm talking more of a backyard method (or hoping they actually start production this decade) as:

1. A method for making an electrical-energy-storage unit comprising components fabricated by the method steps as follow; a) preparing a wet-chemical-prepared calcined composition-modified barium titanate powder derived from a solution of precursors: Ba(NO.sub.3).sub.2, Ca(NO.sub.3).sub.2.4H.sub.2O, Nd(NO.sub.3).sub.3.6H.sub.2O, Y(NO.sub.3).sub.3.4H.sub.2O, Mn(CH.sub.3COO).sub.2.4H.sub.2O, ZrO(N.sub.3O).sub.2, and [CH.sub.3CH(O--)COONH.sub.4].sub.2Ti(OH).sub.2 in deionize water heated to 80.degree. C., and a separate solution of (CH.sub.3).sub.4NOH made in deionized water and heated to 80.degree.-85.degree. C., then mixing the solutions by pumping the heated ingredient streams simultaneously through a coaxial fluid mixer producing coprecipitated powder, then collecting the coprecipitated powder in a drown-out vessel and refluxing at a temperature of 90.degree.-95.degree. C. for 12 hours, then filtering, washing with deionized-water, drying, and then calcining 1050.degree. C. in air; b) fabricating an aluminum oxide (Al.sub.2O.sub.3) coating of 100 .ANG. thickness onto the wet-chemical-prepared calcined composition-modified barium titanate powder, with the use of aluminum nitrate nonahydrate precursor applied by wet chemical means, then calcining at 1050.degree. C., resulting in a single-coated calcined composition-modified barium titanate powder; c) fabricating onto the alumina-coated composition-modified barium titanate powder, a second uniform coating of 100 .ANG. of calcium magnesium aluminosilicate glass derived from alcohol-soluble precursors: calcium methoxide or calcium isopropoxide, magnesium methoxide or magnesium ethoxide, aluminum ethoxide or aluminum isopropoxide or aluminum isopropoxide, and tetraethyl orthosilicate are applied by wet chemical means which upon calcining at 500.degree. C. results in a double-coated composition-modified barium titanate powder; d) blending, this double-coated composition-modified barium titanate powder with a screen-printing ink containing appropriate plastic resins surfactants, lubricants, and solvents to provide a suitable rheology for screen printing; e) screen-printing into interleaved multilayers of alternating offset nickel electrode layers 12 and double-coated calcined composition-modified barium titanate high-relative-permittivity layers 11 with the use of screening inks having the proper rheology for each of the layers; f) drying and cutting the screen-punted multilayer components 15 into a specified rectangular area; g) sintering the screen-printed multilayer components 15, first at a temperature of 350.degree. C. for a specified length of time, then at 850.degree. C. for a specified length of time, to form closed-pore porous ceramic bodies; and h) hot isostatically pressing the closed-pore porous ceramic bodies, at a temperature of 700.degree. C. with a specified pressure, into a void-free condition; i) grinding and each side of the component to expose the alternating offset interleaved nickel electrodes 12; j) connecting nickel side bars 14 to each side of the components 15, that have the interleaved and alternating offset nickel electrodes 12 exposed, by applying nickel ink with the proper rheology to each side and clamping the combinations together; k) heating the components and side nickel bar combination 14-15 800.degree. C., and time duration of 20 minutes to bond them together; l) wave soldering each side of the conducting bars; m) assembling the components 15 with the connected nickel side bars 14 into the first array, utilizing unique tooling and solder-bump technology; n) assembling the first arrays into the second array; o) assembling the second arrays into the EESU final assembly.

Is not usually in the lexicon of the home owner.

[shakman]

@exxcomm0n

With regards to power companies throttling their output to meet demand, I read this article recently that might be of interest to you:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/17/beacon-power-hopes-to-juggle-electricity-more-efficiently/

Cheers,

Shakman

[exxcomm0n]

@ Pure

I DID however, neglect (in my usual manner) to thank you for actual relevant content.

Please note that I am interesting in hearing more suggestions.

Thank you for posting, and keep doing so if the content is of this caliber.