Roll on the 20th June

[Rusty_Springs]

Ignoring friction for a moment, gravity will always get you back to where you started, no more and no less. Agreed?

Now, ignoring the effects if the smot for a moment, all we need to do is move from gate exit to gate enterance for the cycle  to continue. Now, this will change the system energy because it is less distance. In AQs system, we will start low and end high, preparing us to use gravity to break the wall. To start low and end high we will need additional energy, right? But now that we are high and will end low (to complete the cycle), we can get that lil bit of energy back, so the system is in ballance as it was before. Okay, hold that thought.

Now let's look at the smot. You agree the smot will take energy to break. We get a lil energy moving in, but require energy to get out. Now, in reality, those two are equal. So if the smot is ballance, and the gravity portion is energy ballance, we have a ballanced system. (at least until you throw friction into the mix)

Gravity never gas been and never will be the key, Archer is finally understanding this. You can look at my posts from 2 months ago where is say the key is in the magnetics. If he can lower the "wall out energy" in relation to the "attraction in energy," he will have succeeded.

To date, nothing Archer has shown makes me think he is anywhere close. The best demo I have seen that makes me think this is even possible is Rusty's trigates.

If he succedes, it will have no gravity component (or it will be non-critical). It will use something similar to the trigates, which are not smots. Mark my words.

-PurePower

PS funny how 90% I the things I say, AQ disagrees with strongly but then confirms himself later. There was: circular lever path, significance of friction, pulley calcs, insignificance of extensions, the siphon, use of control rods to manipulate results, lever calculations, thermal accelerator flaws, potential energy, insignificance of the gravity aspect of SoG, momentum vs KE, torque calculations... And that's just the ones I can remember!

PP: 12    AQ: 0

PPS AQ has said many times before "no one can know everything." Well, this applies to him too. In physics, there are two major divisions: mechanics and "electro and magnetism." so either AQ knows everything about mechanics and has me beat there (ha!), OR he knows everything about magnetism and has rusty beat there. By his own logic he can not beat us at both because that would require him to know everything! So which is it AQ? Am I better at mechanics or is rusty better at magnetics? Hmm? I think you lose at both, but that's just me...

PP: 12   RS: 1     AQ: 0
Come on AQ, I wanna learn something!

Hi All
One question if Archer principle works then why hasn't he showed it working? he had it all setup all he need to do is add the magnets to get it starting around 6 or 7 and its away, the principle would work with the magnets he has he, could add a arm later or he needs to do is prove the principle.
Start the system at about 6 it would attract in go around come out with gravity then go back in again to start again, thats all he needs to show and he has everything there to show it so why hasn't he, oh I know he hasn't got enough magnets to set it up at 6 or 7 so he will need more money is that it.
Take Care All
Graham

[g4macdad]

Right, cuz your one of the kingpin contributors to FE development! HA!

Unless, of course, the Dallas cowboy cheerleaders and the lakers girls teamed up to bring you down! They were probably afraid for their job security!

You make me laugh...

-PurePower

Real engineering professionalism there. Immaturity will get you no where my son. Stop wasting your and our time please. 

[purepower]

If  I may interject here, I have an obersvation of my own.

I chose my path in life a number of years ago, and they are mine. I did not get ant formal education, my loss in some ways.

Pure I have read and I do understand to a degree  some laws of energy. I have learned a number of things from your postings. You have even taken the time to answer an email I sent you.

Newt you also seem to be a very well educated man. A succsessful man as well. You have offered to build Acher's wheel at no charge.

But the both of you have giving nothing in any constructive manner with ideas as to how to make it work.

Instead of getting into conversations or arguements of this law or that law, or what energy it takes to climb a wall, or rolling down an incline.

Add your ideas of what you think it would take to make the DAMN wheel go around more than once.

Or any idea you have of FE.

Pure I sent you an idea, you just said it would run down. Ok you are probably correct, but if you truly believe in FE, try and think of a solution.

More energy is spent arguing here, yes Archer included, we could rune the world with the the keystrokes expended on this thread

peter

My ideas:

1) bismuth stators - advantage- repulsion only when aligned just right, could be used to eliminate wall; disadvantage- smokey says it won't work and he claims to have plenty of experience with bismuth, I don't have any at my disposal to try; conclusion: worth a shot, no promises

2) ferrite shield to reduce wall- advantage- wall reduced; disadvantage- beneficial forces are also reduced; conclusion- no gain

3) use rustys trigates (okay, so its not really my idea, but I do support it)- advantage- attraction and repulsion in the same direction with no wall loss; disadvantage- I dunno, ask rusty; conclusion- this is our best bet!

I have many ideas, but all of mine are under further scrutiny than yours. That's why not many of them make it to the thread...

-PurePower

[canuck22]

My ideas:

1) bismuth stators - advantage- repulsion only when aligned just right, could be used to eliminate wall; disadvantage- smokey says it won't work and he claims to have plenty of experience with bismuth, I don't have any at my disposal to try; conclusion: worth a shot, no promises

2) ferrite shield to reduce wall- advantage- wall reduced; disadvantage- beneficial forces are also reduced; conclusion- no gain

3) use rustys trigates (okay, so its not really my idea, but I do support it)- advantage- attraction and repulsion in the same direction with no wall loss; disadvantage- I dunno, ask rusty; conclusion- this is our best bet!

I have many ideas, but all of mine are under further scrutiny than yours. That's why not many of them make it to the thread...

-PurePower


there now you are talking, add some more of what you think,,,,,,, we may have a winner

add your thoughts to rusty's trigates

peter

[canuck22]

there now you are talking, add some more of what you think,,,,,,, we may have a winner

add your thoughts to rusty's trigates

peter

well I screwed that up

this is my relpy

sorry

peter