Roll on the 20th June

[kude]

Finally.....

It's chunky and boring, but here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycZpjidmrAI

I suggest you watch it without sound, the edits didn't quite work out the way I planned.

You....were warned, I accept no responsibility.

exx,
I was just wondering if you had tried Archer's idea of making the traveling magnet 30% wider than the track. Yours doesn't appear so. Also, I could understand that the variety of magnets you use probably creates uneven forces along the track, mini walls so to speak. Keep working the problem.

[gwhy!]

Hi Larry
I have just had a look at batmans vids they really do look impressive, but there are some questions that I feel need to be answered as the vids IMO may not show the full picture. This is not a negative post but just some observations that need to be considered. On vid 1,2 and 4 it can been seen that the track platform was rocking as the roller passed the center ( maybe this was intentional to gain momentum to put it out the other side of the track ) . Also the exit of the track was not that long before the roller dropped off the end so in this case we will never know if the roller will be pulled back into track, In vid 3 the roller fell off the track and was dropped the roller got stuck to the end of the track so IMO the setup shown in batmans vids shows nothing unusual unless I'm overlooking something ( which is a big possibility ). If I was to video the setup I am looking at now on that very plateform that batman was using ( complete with the rocking motion )  I think you will be blown away as there is a lot more pull and push which means one hell of a lot of speed but when placed on a flat stable surface it don't look to impressive but it do work and also once the roller has been thrown clear of the track which as I say in the few test that I have done is about 40-45% of the runs the roller do not get pulled back onto the track while still travelling on the same plane. This 40-45% maybe more like 55-60% because you may recall that in reverse the success rate was 70-80% which may mean that my level surface was not quite level  . There is a lot more testing and tweeking to do.

[exxcomm0n]

exx,
I was just wondering if you had tried Archer's idea of making the traveling magnet 30% wider than the track. Yours doesn't appear so. Also, I could understand that the variety of magnets you use probably creates uneven forces along the track, mini walls so to speak. Keep working the problem.

Actually, even though it doesn't look it, each gate is 33% larger than the roller mag (which are axially magnetized 7.5 lbs. pull cylinder neos I believe). They are just not evenly aligned or spaced. They (arrays) are made out of both cylinder and block neos (they are exactly the same in my opinion of this application except the fields might be subtly different, but not enough to negate the effect).

All placement is approximate, The circle drawn that they are laid out on was done using the old test CD and holding a pen to a straw stuck in it while turning it.
Think of me as the person of meager resources (he didn't say that it was limited to materials and not mentality) that Archer is doing this for.

If I had 3/16 or 1/4" (5-ish - 7-ish mm) steel stock I'd try LarryC's "iron core" array idea and see how much it will lessen the field. The more I play with this, the more I like Leedskalnin's pamphlet explanation of magnetics. (He, like me says you cannot divorce magnets from electricity, or vice versa. The whole "young girls are pure until young boys despoil" them pamphlet is just friggin "out there" though!)

This is NOT FE (which in my opinion is a misleading term. It's not "free", it previously unharnessed! It's always been there since someone noticed that one ore type attracted another).
If people wanna burn me @ the stake for "heresy", let 'em try. The plus side of being as incredibly dense as I am is that I usually can't comprehend how I could "be wrong" and care in direct relation to that.

I, like ClaNZer, approach this as fun (although again, you'd probably not be able to extrapolate that from some of my posts here) that has the incredible upside of a new energy source should my "million monkeys" approach ever pan out (which is a thoroughly accurate term for this type of play as some days your effort does no more than shining the bottom of your sifting pan, and sometimes (much more rarely) you get PAID!)

Quit looking to God or anyone to hand you something (although Archer has been doing well in this regard lately) and friggin play.

Speaking of "play", the trigate shorting did nothing of the sort and seemed to make a larger barrier than a MkE end gate. I replaced the TG (trigate) shape at the end with just a continuation of MkE and now can get the roller all the way to 3, with a bounce back to around 12.

I threw up 3 vids last night, 2 MkEs and 1 HHO.
That should let you know that I have my fingers in as many "pies" as time will allow, just don't tell the woman.

Keep @ it kids. Nothing happens without trying. Look how it's benefited some of us!

I look at new ideas and insights to be worth more than any type of paper money in my pocket.

Ideas (other than money, which really is just an idea too represented by paper notes) never have a recession, bank failure, or  exchange rate.

They always pay.



EDIT

BTW, I think the batdude vid is showing that if you use proximity (closeness) variance to the fields, you can tune it (the effect) to the point that the traveling mass will overcome the wall, while still allowing the benefit of the effect to produce "work".

Just my take on things. I'll try some penne pasta spacers in an upcoming vid.

[LarryC]

Hi Larry
I have just had a look at batmans vids they really do look impressive, but there are some questions that I feel need to be answered as the vids IMO may not show the full picture. This is not a negative post but just some observations that need to be considered. On vid 1,2 and 4 it can been seen that the track platform was rocking as the roller passed the center ( maybe this was intentional to gain momentum to put it out the other side of the track ) . Also the exit of the track was not that long before the roller dropped off the end so in this case we will never know if the roller will be pulled back into track, In vid 3 the roller fell off the track and was dropped the roller got stuck to the end of the track so IMO the setup shown in batmans vids shows nothing unusual unless I'm overlooking something ( which is a big possibility ). If I was to video the setup I am looking at now on that very plateform that batman was using ( complete with the rocking motion )  I think you will be blown away as there is a lot more pull and push which means one hell of a lot of speed but when placed on a flat stable surface it don't look to impressive but it do work and also once the roller has been thrown clear of the track which as I say in the few test that I have done is about 40-45% of the runs the roller do not get pulled back onto the track while still travelling on the same plane. This 40-45% maybe more like 55-60% because you may recall that in reverse the success rate was 70-80% which may mean that my level surface was not quite level  . There is a lot more testing and tweeking to do.

Good points on bat vid. My arrangement also has wider spacing and is slower.

Regards, Larry

[LarryC]

@Archer,

You are right about the loss of power by adding steel in the middle. Did a test today with each array and the steel version could only hold the roller at a 45 while the all mag version could hold at a 80. Still confused as to why they attract at the same distance But, I should have tested more before posting.

Regards, Larry

PS: I'll be doing more testing, since they still pass along the roller, they may still be of use where pass along, not raw power is required.