Roll on the 20th June

[Rusty_Springs]

Thanks for the tip Graham.
Is it AMF Magnetic? (The name kind of makes me want to go ten pin bowling!) I came across them in my search but still managed to get them cheaper delivered from the US.
I will definitely use them if I need small quantities or custom mags.

Hi shakman
Yes thats them and you proberly will get it cheaper oversea's but I was thinking since your there you can just go and pick them up rather then have them delivered, then again with the price of petrol it maybe better just having them delivered.

@ Larry
Yes the weight on the opposite side maybe counter balancing a little but this would mean theres less on the magnetic side, if you took the counter balance out then there would be more weight on the magnet side, this may break the wall easier but it also give more weight to pull up the other side, as I have said everything is a trade off, stronger magnets gives a stronger wall to break, more weight means more force needed to pull it uphill, all a trade of or catch 22.
Take Care All
Graham

[shakman]

Useful US supplier links offering best prices and selection IMO
Best/cheapest magnets: (like 1/2 the price of other sites)
http://www.magnet4less.com/index.php

Thanks Captain, that's the one that I used 
Postage almost doubled it but still cheaper than local.

Hi shakman
....
then again with the price of petrol it maybe better just having them delivered.
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You're not wrong Graham! Still, very convenient to have in case of 'emergencies' 

[Rusty_Springs]

Hi All
I'm not saying PM can't be done what I'm saying is for it to happen and because your not adding energy everything must be for you and NOTHING against you, if one thing is against you then you loose energy and because you have no way of adding energy you can not get that energy back and the system stops.
If its a magnetic system that would mean no walls because the wall takes energy to break and you can't get that back with out adding energy, with gravity wheels there can't be any gravity against going up hill because that is energy lost and you need to add energy to keep it going.
You have a system with nothing against it and you have PM and todate such a system hasn't been thought of.
Take Care All
Graham

[AB Hammer]

Hay Guys

You may want to peak over here on this string.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,5176.0/topicseen.html

[shakman]

I think the key will be to make the wall do a "magic disappearing act". Kude and myself had both came up with the idea almost simultaneously - although I'm sure it has been thought of before, not trying to take credit before another flame war starts, just pointing out the coincidence (glad I cleared that up) - to use magnet distance (i.e. distance from the array) to reduce (and hopefully eliminate) the wall. Kude's idea to arrange the route track at different depths allows for complete flexibility over this.

Before I retire to bed to continue my vampire-like existance in the land of night-shift I decided to knock it out of my head and on to paper as I like to do. So here it is - a mock 3D illustration of one such idea.

shakman