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Roll on the 20th June

Started by CLaNZeR, April 21, 2008, 11:41:56 AM

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Rusty_Springs

Quote from: gwhy! on July 20, 2008, 03:56:08 PM
For anyone who's intrested,
    I managed to get some playtime today and I have finished the hardware for my test rig, just got a bit of electronics to put together then it will be finished ( the rig is basic and DO NOT use force cells this was to keep the cost to a minimum so all results can be duplicated by other users ) . I will be testing a few Ideas that I have of my own first and the results posted (hopefully by next weekend) on this site but not in this thread, the reason for this is because I think it would be very usefull information for anyone playing around with magnetic tracks/arrays and will be posted in the magnetic motor section of this forum.

Edit: I will gladly test any track for anyone as long as the track isn't to long and I have the correct mags..
Hi Gwhy
good to hear and you was right in your earlier post simple is better but some can't see that.
@exx
Yes it should work better on its side because your not fighting gravity but at the same time you don't have gravity to help you break the wall.
@all
I shouldn't bring this up but doesn't it look like exx is using cylinder magnets as his roller with a big hole in the centre, some would call that roller a donut magnet or ring magnet and I'm sure exx has some block magnets side by side around his array as his stator, wouldn't that mean he is proving what I said that my onewaygate is no different to Archers setup, donut roller block side by side stator works no different to cylinders as stator and roller.

I have a question two and that is do the iso's get saturated?
Take Care All
Graham

shakman

Quote from: Rusty_Springs on July 20, 2008, 04:55:32 PM
good to hear and you was right in your earlier post simple is better but some can't see that.

Hey, I agree with that... it's just some times hard to think after a 12hr night shift  ;)
Besides, it's fun coming up with interesting ways to create a desired effect when in an insomnia induced state  ;D

markh

Here's a picture of the spin idea I was thinking about.  I was thinking you could get ferrite, and put it in various spots around the wheel.  Have your arm with a steel end on it.  attached to that arm, obviously using a non metallic arm, you would put your magnet, and run a wire to the end of that arm extension.  as the arm spins, that wire, touches the ferrite, magnatizing it, and pulling the arm clockwise.  As the arm goes clockwise, the wire also moves forward losing it's connection, but then connecting to the next magnet.   I don't know how close you can put ferrite to each other before they share the same field.

That's just a thought.

peace
mark

exxcomm0n

Quote from: Rusty_Springs on July 20, 2008, 04:55:32 PM
<snip>
@exx
Yes it should work better on its side because your not fighting gravity but at the same time you don't have gravity to help you break the wall.

Ya huh. But then when I set it upright and scooted the roller mag up the slope (but not up the curve ) it got sucked up accelerated up the long 3:00 to 12:00, and then used gravity + momentum to get chewed up by the bar fields (I can hear the "clack" difference between bar and rod when doing a run).

This really has me asking more questions than it answered.

It makes sense that it should have an easier time getting to 12:00 by using the 3:00 to 12:00 slope instead of the 9:00 to 12:00 curve, but the thing that got me is that it was "sucked" up 2-3" (8-12cm roughly) to the 3:00 to 12:00 slope.

It's changing the way I "see" magnetic fields the curve should focus more magnetism into a smaller space, but the slope mags seemed to have a corona effect.

Maybe it's because there wasn't a diametrically opposed array track across from them and I'll experiment with that tonight, but right now I'm playing with HHO cell design stuff again cause the 316T screen wasn't cheap and I don't want to mess up the build.

Quote from: Rusty_Springs on July 20, 2008, 04:55:32 PM
@all
I shouldn't bring this up but doesn't it look like exx is using cylinder magnets as his roller with a big hole in the centre, some would call that roller a donut magnet or ring magnet.......

Yup yup. all my cylinder mags are axially magnetized except for a set of cylinders I got that are magnetized in diametric opposition.

Quote from: Rusty_Springs on July 20, 2008, 04:55:32 PM
........ and I'm sure exx has some block magnets side by side around his array as his stator, .....

Yup, I use those.
They are the most powerful of the bunch I think, but seem to give the track more "chop", and therefore seem to have a braking effect.
I really have to get some magnafilm and crank up an old monitor to start using visualization aids to compare fields and strengths since I have mags from 3 different companies and didn't take meticulous notes on the orders.

Quote from: Rusty_Springs on July 20, 2008, 04:55:32 PM
<snip>
I have a question two and that is do the iso's get saturated?
Take Care All
Graham

Not quite following you here man. Could you please explain a little more?

Take Care Graham
When I stop learning, plant me.

I'm already of less use than a tree.

exxcomm0n

In another vein.

With the mag switch, everyone is trying to shut off the track.

Wouldn't it be easier to shut off the roller?

Kinda a one vs. many sorta deal?

I mean, have a "biag ass" neo at the spindle that is in constant contact except getting tripped off just before gate end and letting momentum carry it into the attract field start of the track again?

Let me play with some stuff and I'll post results I get definitely here, maybe the tube.

:D
When I stop learning, plant me.

I'm already of less use than a tree.