Roll on the 20th June

[shakman]

If I ever travel Down Under again, I'll buy you a bottle of suds, Shakman, only you Aussies can outdrink us Yanks anytime!!  LOL!

LOL Thanks Xaverius. I'm actually enjoying a Hoegaarden right now after a busy day running around, just finishing up some things before hitting the hay. I'll return the favor and shout a few rounds too... could get kinda messy 

Amongst all of my running around, I managed to drop in to a big bottle shop. I couldn't find any Michelob today unfortunately, but I got another case of Hoegaarden (in case of emergency  ) and a case each of Pilsner Urquell and Oettinger to take away this weekend, both of which I've never tried. That should keep the taste buds busy 

Anyway, it's been an interesting 24hrs here. Archer has got me wondering... I'm sitting on the fence for now. I really like the man's passion, he's a real Aussie, but I think he's letting things get to him a little too much.

It sounds like a few other people are getting close to the real thing. Keep up the great work! I've got a few more ideas I'm putting in to CAD. One of them is based on the prototype I posted last week that used swinging arm extensions... AB looks like he's using something similar in his pic so I might be on the right track! Still waiting for my magnets though 

[OU-812]

@AQ from your "just free design" (BTW they are both good ideas):

"One of the most common remarks made of intelligent people is,"if you are so smart then why aren't you rich?"

That's has an easy answer, because the people who have to listen to you are usually too stupid to listen because they only think they are intelligent."

I do have an issue with that statement.  Blaming others is not the answer.  There are many documented cases of individuals rising above their circumstances with an idea to become wealthy against all odds.  Invariably they also met with resistance but rather than cry out "it's your fault not mine" they persisted and succeeded.  To blame others is a fools way out.  There is nothing dishonorable about saying "I tried but did not succeed this time."  That honest and simple statement would garnish more respect than 1000 tirades, and win the support of many naysayers.

[Bomber]

Ok, I have been following this thread for a while now and finally felt that I had to make a rant of my own as this whole thing has become laughable to be brutally honest.  This post was inspired by Archer's latest rant on his site but it has been brewing within me for some time now fueled by not only Archer but other regular posters here also.

Firstly, I would like to address the fact that over 95% of what has been posted in this thread is just useless filler.  It's not that impressive that there have been 5000 posts made when a couple hundred would have sufficed.  Anything productive is quickly buried by waves of petty, immature, off topic tit-for-tat bs.  It really is amazing to witness allegedly mature and intelligent people argue like 4 year olds...  In fact, I would be ashamed if I had a 4 year that acted as pathetically as a few regular posters in this thread.  Here's a tip, take a deep breath and BE THE BIGGER PERSON!  Don't reply, let something go for the first time in your life and I guarantee you that within a couple of posts, your 'attacker' will lose interest and move on...  If he/she doesn't move on then they will look even more stupid.

Now, I have followed Archer's progress via his videos, webpage and this thread.  I am not an engineer or scientist but what I have seen has been impressive to me personally.  I don't know if what Archer is working will work or not but like most people I hope that it does but I am sceptical because of what I have been 'brainwashed' with my entire life.  The arguments between naysayers and cheerleaders over what is new and what is old is irrelevant.  It gets filed under the same useless filler that I spoke about earlier.  Let it go, it doesn't matter if what Archer is doing has been done before if he combines it in a new way and gets a different result right?  If I used wood and build a time machine with it would you guys be saying "wood has been used before dude!  Nothing new here man..."?

I think we all agree that if Archer can combine his discoveries (or 'rediscoveries' - irrelevant) in a way that produces an FE/OU/PM machine then he has achieved something special and 'new'.  It doesn't matter if he uses aspects of things that have been done before.  I wrote an original song the other day but I used chords that were all discovered eons ago...  does that make my song non-original?  While writing this I am using words that I did not invent yet I am making my own masterpiece!  (ok, maybe I am going a little over the top here)

So, now we get to Archer.  I think the guy is more than a little batty but I also see a tormented genius about him.  The problem is that he lets himself down with many of his rants.  He seems to think that if he yells loud enough and is threatening enough that we will all just bow over and believe everything he says.  I took particular notice of something he said a few days ago when it became clear that he thought he had cracked it and had 'won the battle' so to speak.  Archer asked for a list of all those that pledged money if he was successful, he even made a strong comment about going to court and getting the forum details sent to him for legal action against those that didn't pay up. 

This is a joke and I hope Archer knows it.  I will offer you one million dollars if you succeed Archer, and I will even save you the trouble of getting a court order to find my forum details as I will happily give you my full personal details and the good news is that I live in Australia so you can prosecute me locally.  The point is that you would be laughed at mate and it will cost you the legal costs associated with any such claim.  My guess is that it would last 5 mins before being thrown out.  Sorry mate, no-one will be paying you via legal action, but there may well be people living up to their words and delivering on their promises... but short of that please save yourself the minimum $2000 that a case such as this would cost you.  No need to make these empty threats, it just makes you look even more crazy and unhinged.

Moving onto Archer's latest update to his website.  I will quote passages and respond to them.

8am 24th July

This is the reason for my stand, this was posted 10 mins ago

"The Mayernick array ( unless Archer have not told the full truth about the configuration) is Not something new but I have been looking around on the net and to date am unable to find any official name for the array so Mayernick array it is ( unless I find it called something else ). There are array arrangements that can carry a load up a hill and roll down the other side there are many types of arrays out there and they all have there positive effects but they also all have there negative effects."

This is one of thousands of posts around the world on various sites all saying the same thing, yet none have provided proof of it existing before, to maintain Newtonian control of the world.

So what Archer?  You are making a stand because someone said something that you didn't like?  So you are saying that if I now claim that I invented the Mayernik array 3 years ago but I don't have proof of this or any one to back it up that that is enough for you to just shut up shop, take your ball and bat and go home?  Amazing mate, truly amazing... for someone who professes to know what is going on in the world you really seem to contradict yourself a lot and have no clue about people in general.  These people are 'brainwashed' remember?  They can't see what you are saying because of this brainwashing... In order to undo it you need to show them. 

I find your logic of not showing them the answer simply because they can't see it baffling to say the least.  Here we have true perpetual motion in action... follow my loop, I just invented it and call it the 'Archurian Circle of Knowledge' ->

"Can you see the answer?"
"Yes I can Archer but it's not what you are saying it is"
"You fool, If you can't see it then I am not going to show you until you can see it!"
"Can you see the answer?"
"Yes I can Archer but it's not what you are saying it is"
"You fool, If you can't see it then I am not going to show you until you can see it!"

And there we have Perpetual motion.. I Bomber have finally cracked it with the 'Archurian Circle of Knowledge'

Jokes aside I really hope Archer at some stage sees the folly in his logic but let's continue!

"This is not a war that i started, it has always existed, the only difference is that it has always been the oppressors and the surfs, now there is a difference for I hold a weapon far greater than has ever been held to their throats before. Proof. Something that is seen by the world, has been repeated by others and also shown to the world. Yet they can not offer one shred of proof it was ever achieved before. They simply keep saying it. You will provide proof or you will yield and you will concede it is new and that you no longer Hold the discovery key as all things are Newtonian."

Ahh, that's all well and good Archer but you need to actually show it for that to happen and it appears there is confusion on whether or not you will show it and if you do then it might not be replicated because you are possibly now keeping all the plans to yourself (not sure on this one as it seems to change every 5 mins).

"Normal people will not be subject to your brainwashing any longer. To ensure this If they will not fight, you will force them to fight. I am withholding anything further until this discovery is conceeded around the world on all sites.

Freezing and starving they will be forced to fight they will turn on you, as I said before, not everyone has guns, but petrol is still cheap enough for those special cocktails. The poorest of all people are usually the socialists most of them are workers. Do you know what the socialist credo is? everyone being equal. If they burn it all, everyone would be equal. I am not a big fan of socialism myself, but if you wish to push their buttons, be my guest."

Archer, this is where I feel sorry for your supporters because you really are making them look silly when you go on fantastical tangents like this.  I really want to support you but you make it hard to believe that you are all there with comments like this.  It is also hard to know exactly what you mean with most things you say.  Are you trying to say that the starving freezing people will search us out and burn us with home made bombs because we didn't relent to your demands?  Or are you saying that through the lack of your invention that the world is going to quickly disintergrate into chaos?

There are obvious problems with both scenarios, reality being a big issue.  The first thing is that only a few people know about you Archer, all the sick, poor people have no idea that you have saved them yet.  If they come after me with a Molotov cocktail I am going to tell them that you are holding out on them and pretty soon there will be the world's hungry and freezing heading to sunny Australia to burn your shed to the ground and hopefully get some warmth and a feed in the mean time...  jokes mate.  But again we hit this 'Archurian Circle of Knowledge' where nothing achieved because of it and its logic resistant force field that you have some how created with magnets I suspect.

"Yield or let your own actions be your bring forth your judgement.

The array is the heart of the machine, so concession is paramount. I Figure there are around 3 billion people who are on the starving and freezing side, and the other 3 billion are soft weak couldnt defend themselves if they tried."

I am ready to be judged Archer... How do you think you will be judged when you have the answer to all the pain and suffering in the earth but you were unwilling to release it because of pride and ego?  I am sure you a great guy at heart Archer and I applaud your efforts but I would feel pretty confident standing next to you on the day of judgement if this was the case.  Please think about this, don't do a knee jerk reaction, swallow some pride and be the bigger person.  Be bigger than all the doubters and then you will get what you wanted all along, not before as it appears you are trying to get.

"It is not hard to do the right thing, it is just hard to know what the right thing is."

I agree, and you are saying that it is right to withhold the greatest invention mankind has ever seen that will help billions of struggling people because some people upset you by doubting you and said some hurtful things.  Fair enough.

In conclusion, (sorry about the long winded rant)

@ Archer:  Don't give back the donations mate, the people appear to be happy with what you have done so far.  Swallow some pride mate and show the world what you have achieved.  If you don't then you are simply letting the 'brainwashed' ones win.  By doing so you are actually perpetuating the brainwashing yourself without probably realising it.

I am one of the brainwashed but I want to believe.  I am agent Mulder looking for the answers but so far I can't see them.  If I take a ball and drop it it bounces a couple of times and stops... Damn you Newton!  I need you to show me the ball bouncing forever or even higher than it did before before I can say that Newton was a fool...  What you are doing is asking me to say that on faith that you have what you say you have.  I agree that your experiments have shown amazing things and in my head I can see that it should be possible to combine these things to make a machine to prove everyone wrong but the fact is that you just haven't show us that yet and so many have made claims like yours before and all failed.  Surely you can see that everyone is not going to simply agree with you until they are shown...

You greatest achievement from this point on will be breaking the 'Archurian Circle of Knowledge'... If you can't, then I am afraid that you will go down in history as another failure.

@All, Some people believe, and some people don't.  This probably won't change no matter what Archer comes up with.  This is a fact.  If he disappears there will be those defending him and blaming other factors for years to come.  If he shows a working video there will be just as many new questions pop up as those that are answered... the debate will be fierce and most likely unprofessional and personal.  Try to keep this in mind.

Regards, Bomber

[therealrasta]

edit -- nvm got it

[capthook]

Ok, I have been following this thread for a while now and finally felt that I had to make a rant of my own Regards, Bomber

Bomber - thanks for taking the time to construct and post your insightful thoughts and observations.  A very good read.

tx