Roll on the 20th June

[shakman]

I was going to predict failure again for Archer Quinn, aka Kevin Thomas. He has been making crazy claims since 2004 according to http://www.inventored.org/caution/archer-quinn/

I didn't need to. The lame 10 minute video just posted should be evidence to anyone that Thomas hasn't brought anything new to the perpetual motion game.

Perhaps it would be wise to wait on that one Wizard.

I don't think Archer has anything to hide. He actually brought the InventorEd page to my attention, he thought it quite amusing. Kevin Thomas is actually a different person altogether, a pal of Archer's whom Archer happened to be visiting at the time he replied. So I guess you could add InventorEd's site to a "Caution" list if you want to play the "false claims" card.

Archer called Ronald's bluff by claiming he earned a huge amount of money that he never did. I think we've seen plenty of bluff calling on this thread already, from Archer and many others. But it must be quite clear to even the blindest people on this thread by now that Archer is spending any money "donated" on materials, the rest is needed for survival - it's hard to earn an income when you're trying to build a wheel that defies all current scientific beliefs, and so far he has done very well wouldn't you think? Let's face it, no-one will make millions from a bunch small donations when they are spending all their time working on a wheel and not earning any other income.

I refer to my "donation" as a "research investment" rather than a donation, and considering what's at stake it's an absolute pittance.

So considering Archer himself directed me, an investor, to the InventorEd page very early on in the process, I can't see how I have been scammed. I read all of this before I continued to make small investments in Archer's work. InventorEd clearly had their nose out of place by "disparaging remarks about InventorEd" on Archer's website.

If you've been around here for more than a week then you would know that the latest video is by no means lame, even to Archer's harshest critics, provided he can back it up with a less obstructive video which he will do in good time. You have used the InventorEd story to back up your claims for lameness so I thought it fair to set the record straight before it is taken as gospel. Archer is not asking for any more investments at this stage so it is pointless to criticise him of being a scammer when he is still working on the wheel without further income.

Anyway, we've had arguments like this all over this thread spiral out of control. I will say that it is fair for you to point out these claims made by the InventorEd site to everyone here, I'm just telling the other side of the story as it was put to me by Archer.

shakman

EDIT: Dirt was to quick for me on the Mr Thomas part... he explained this part in an email to me. I must have missed it on the thread.

[shakman]

...
- Can the bugs be fixed so it will run continuously?
- Does this break any of Newton's three laws?
- Does this break the first law of thermo, conservation of energy?
- Does this change our understanding of magnetism as a conservative force?

My answers:
Hopefully.
No.
No.
Yes, and I had my doubts on this one after seeing the trigate.
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-PurePower

@PP

My answers:

- Archer will be working on it but let's put our noggins together and see what improvements we think we can make as a community
- Who cares right now? Let's wait til we have a fully PM machine and then figure that part out 
- As per previous answer
- We still have plenty to learn about magnetism. These are exciting times

Peace

shakman

[Newtonian God]

30 days from now, when the design get revealed, it would be nice if Newtonian God provide us with a video feed of the build and run of his replication. Hopefully a lot sooner if he contributed

Ready, willing and able.

Please send the plans ASAP so I can program for machining!

[shakman]

...
I got some thoughts and have been very jealous of shak's 3D rendering ability, so I'm going to try to a render in Qcad of them to see if I can make the descriptions a little more clear.
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@Exx

Aww, shucks, thanks dude. I'm quite jealous of your build skills so we're even.

As for the 3D rendering, it's all 2D (just made to look 3D). I'd be happy to make some for you if you send me some basic sketches. Anything for the cause

shakman

[kude]

@exx

I'll defend slanders against my character when unfounded or shoddily crafted.

So you would be okay with well crafted slanders?

@video

Archer's video is not what I expected. I wouldn't say it's proof of concept yet. It shows different behaviours and the occasional 360 and a lot of hand starts. Again a lamp pointed at the wheel would help a lot. It is still way too murky.

I think the problem here is setting deadlines. Why set them at all? Just show the occasional progress or new ideas when it works well enough to share. The big deadline passed and you regrouped well enough.

I actually think a lot of people that come to this site would like to have a friendly dialogue with you on the subject.at hand. You keep coming back here because you know there are people here who want you to try to do this and support your efforts. You can't seem to get past the few who are malvolent and who push your buttons or those that honestly tell you what they think and offer a fair critique or view this scientically. Maybe your temperment isn't made for this kind of interaction. You put yourself on a world stage, and you now need to learn how to cope with it. Do you drift off into obscurity or continue the search for what you started. I guess if you leave this thread now, it will die.