Roll on the 20th June

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Qf-0fgSJc

Aww...

Archer, I personally would gladly "lend you a helping hand", if you would remove yourself from the line of sight....

Yes, definitely, this is Archer's "Sword of  God V.12.024.07"  cycling....

Even an upside-down bicycle wheel, equipped with a weight, makes several "360deg" turns " all by it's own", if only I drop it with a tiny help....
True, it doesn't accelerate while climbing, but still.... Any SMOT can do that.

Please, mount your SOG rotor on a perspex/plexi board (do your best to remove all questionable things), and shoot the (continuous) rotation for at least a few minutes....
After that, a qualified, "third person" evaluation is expected... Tough, isn't it?

Good Luck!

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Strange how at the very end of the video, the wheel self runs for 3 revolutions, then stops.  If it started from a standstill and had no assistance throughout the run, why would it break the wall twice, then fail the third time? 

Absolutely (madsen, you were faster,lol)!

This is a proof of "diminishing" rotation. If the rotor makes a few turns, then stops, it is definitelly slowing down, wouldn't you think?
As configuration hasn't changed (?) in those few turns, that means "something" is acting against the rotation.
And logic says to make even the 1st turn from a stand-still, one have to provide additional energy input.

As simple as that.

[kitefreak]

@ gwhy

Glad we got our confusion sorted out and thanks for your offer of help. I will check out KlaNZerS trigate ramp climbing vid, but in the meantime I've just ordered some magnets so I can experiment myself. I've ordered some rod magnets and a smaller number of disk magnets, because I'm going with the Mayernick array and heavier/stronger travelling magnet arrangement. I'm doing this simply because I've seen it work already - in Archer's over-the-hill and out-the-other-side video. I've also seen the climbing a steep ramp carrying a load video, from Archer.

@ all

Now I know toys do not impress Archer, and his priority is free energy for the masses. But for me, having seen those videos, I think it would be easier to demonstrate PM than it's going to be to demonstrate OU. But isn't PM in itself a world first? It's never been done before, has it? Or will the fact that the magnets eventually demagnetise disqualify it?

I just think, having seen the videos mentioned above, that it should fairly straightforward to make a track where the roller comes back to the start point and starts again, i.e start on the level, go up a steepish hill (for however long you like?), go over the hill, then break out of the wall on the down slope, with the assistance of gravity and the extra weight being carried, then ROLL down a curved slope to the start point. I realise there will be friction on the roll down.

So imagine one could put the above described toy together; you put the thing running before you go to bed, get up in the morning and it's still running. You go to work, come back, and it's still running. You go on holiday for a couple of weeks, come back and it's still running. Would that defy the laws of physics? Would that be a world first? Am I being hopelessly deluded for even thinking that it is possible?

Am I gullible for having been inspired by Archer's tenacity, dedication, tirelessness and 'f*ck you' mentality? I don't think I am. 

I dare to think there may be something new here.

Do you all think the price of magnets (and indeed their availability) will be effected if people see what Archer may reveal in a clearer fashion in the coming days and then rush out and place an order for magnets. Archer said something about the supply of neo's drying up in a couple of weeks once the cat's out of the bag (I'm paraphrasing). I wouldn't mention this but 18 months ago I converted my van to run on straight vegetable oil because it was 0.42 GPB/litre off the supermarket shelf; less than half the price of diesel. Now it is 1.17GBP/litre, off the supermarket shelf; the same price as diesel. Yes folks in USA, that's what we pay!

Point is, once everybody jumps on the bandwagon, the laws of supply and demand move the goal posts.

[shakman]

Absolutely (madsen, you were faster,lol)!
This is a proof of "diminishing" rotation. If the rotor makes a few turns, then stops, it is definitelly slowing down, wouldn't you think?
As configuration hasn't changed (?) in those few turns, that means "something" is acting against the rotation.
And logic says to make even the 1st turn from a stand-still, one have to provide additional energy input.

As simple as that.

@Archer

You are a passionate man and if I know you well enough by now I know that this sort of commentary is sure to boil your blood. Your initial reaction will be "stuff you all" and you will want to chuck it in. The best way to really stick it to these sorts of comments will be to fine-tune your wheel and give them the show we've been waiting for, and show there are no strings attached.

You might think that certain people don't deserve the technology, or even the show, because of their comments and lack of gratitude. But the best reaction is to show the critics what you're made of.

@spinner/madsen

For Archer's reference, and so you can't keep changing the goal posts, how many turns from a standing start will it take to impress you?

I know you want a PM wheel, we all do, but how many turns would it take before you say "hey, with a bit of fine-tuning, this thing might just run indefinitely". Three was good enough for me, obviously an unobstructed video would be much more impressive but I don't think the wheel looked like it was being assisted at any stage. I might be wrong... but back to the point, give us a number so you can't come back here after Archer's next vid and say "ten rotations... anyone can do ten...". I think this is only fair. If you are setting such high standards as a critic, I really think you should qualify those standards.

Peace,

shakman

[gwhy!]

@ gwhy

Glad we got our confusion sorted out and thanks for your offer of help. I will check out KlaNZerS trigate ramp climbing vid, but in the meantime I've just ordered some magnets so I can experiment myself. I've ordered some rod magnets and a smaller number of disk magnets, because I'm going with the Mayernick array and heavier/stronger travelling magnet arrangement. I'm doing this simply because I've seen it work already - in Archer's over-the-hill and out-the-other-side video. I've also seen the climbing a steep ramp carrying a load video, from Archer.

@ all

Now I know toys do not impress Archer, and his priority is free energy for the masses. But for me, having seen those videos, I think it would be easier to demonstrate PM than it's going to be to demonstrate OU. But isn't PM in itself a world first? It's never been done before, has it? Or will the fact that the magnets eventually demagnetise disqualify it?

I just think, having seen the videos mentioned above, that it should fairly straightforward to make a track where the roller comes back to the start point and starts again, i.e start on the level, go up a steepish hill (for however long you like?), go over the hill, then break out of the wall on the down slope, with the assistance of gravity and the extra weight being carried, then ROLL down a curved slope to the start point. I realise there will be friction on the roll down.

So imagine one could put the above described toy together; you put the thing running before you go to bed, get up in the morning and it's still running. You go to work, come back, and it's still running. You go on holiday for a couple of weeks, come back and it's still running. Would that defy the laws of physics? Would that be a world first? Am I being hopelessly deluded for even thinking that it is possible?

Am I gullible for having been inspired by Archer's tenacity, dedication, tirelessness and 'f*ck you' mentality? I don't think I am. 

I dare to think there may be something new here.

Do you all think the price of magnets (and indeed their availability) will be effected if people see what Archer may reveal in a clearer fashion in the coming days and then rush out and place an order for magnets. Archer said something about the supply of neo's drying up in a couple of weeks once the cat's out of the bag (I'm paraphrasing). I wouldn't mention this but 18 months ago I converted my van to run on straight vegetable oil because it was 0.42 GPB/litre off the supermarket shelf; less than half the price of diesel. Now it is 1.17GBP/litre, off the supermarket shelf; the same price as diesel. Yes folks in USA, that's what we pay!

Point is, once everybody jumps on the bandwagon, the laws of supply and demand move the goal posts.

Hi Kitefreak,
  No Problems and your welcome, the offer will always be there should you need it. The trouble with working with small mags is it dont look very impressive but it still does the same thing either up and over and out as archer calls it or climbing a ramp.

At least Archer managed to do something usefull,  he got you intrested in looking for a solution for FE/OU  ..

As reguards Archers video.. I think he has been very brave to put this out and have show more balls than I first expected but as regaurds the contents of the vid I'm not going to say a word  .